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In Lithuanian language there is a proverb that translated word-for-word would say "The train does not wait for the shitting ones."



While sounding somewhat rude, it is perfect for expressing: "You are too late, and that's your own fault."



Is there any proverb in English that could convey the same idea?










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    I live in the U.S. and never had the pleasure of hearing this Lithuanian proverb before. Thank you! I have happily added it to my vocabulary. "The train does not wait for the shitting ones." Love it.
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    Tangentially related: Gorbatchev's famous "Those who are late will be castigated by life itself" ("Wer zu spät kommt, den bestraft das Leben"), aimed at Honecker.
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  • By “shitting ones,” do you mean those using the toilet?
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In Lithuanian language there is a proverb that translated word-for-word would say "The train does not wait for the shitting ones."



While sounding somewhat rude, it is perfect for expressing: "You are too late, and that's your own fault."



Is there any proverb in English that could convey the same idea?










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    I live in the U.S. and never had the pleasure of hearing this Lithuanian proverb before. Thank you! I have happily added it to my vocabulary. "The train does not wait for the shitting ones." Love it.
    – Headblender
    Nov 15 at 20:46






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    Tangentially related: Gorbatchev's famous "Those who are late will be castigated by life itself" ("Wer zu spät kommt, den bestraft das Leben"), aimed at Honecker.
    – Peter A. Schneider
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  • By “shitting ones,” do you mean those using the toilet?
    – Khalid Hussain
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In Lithuanian language there is a proverb that translated word-for-word would say "The train does not wait for the shitting ones."



While sounding somewhat rude, it is perfect for expressing: "You are too late, and that's your own fault."



Is there any proverb in English that could convey the same idea?










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In Lithuanian language there is a proverb that translated word-for-word would say "The train does not wait for the shitting ones."



While sounding somewhat rude, it is perfect for expressing: "You are too late, and that's your own fault."



Is there any proverb in English that could convey the same idea?







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    I live in the U.S. and never had the pleasure of hearing this Lithuanian proverb before. Thank you! I have happily added it to my vocabulary. "The train does not wait for the shitting ones." Love it.
    – Headblender
    Nov 15 at 20:46






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    Tangentially related: Gorbatchev's famous "Those who are late will be castigated by life itself" ("Wer zu spät kommt, den bestraft das Leben"), aimed at Honecker.
    – Peter A. Schneider
    Nov 16 at 1:07










  • By “shitting ones,” do you mean those using the toilet?
    – Khalid Hussain
    yesterday








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    I live in the U.S. and never had the pleasure of hearing this Lithuanian proverb before. Thank you! I have happily added it to my vocabulary. "The train does not wait for the shitting ones." Love it.
    – Headblender
    Nov 15 at 20:46






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    Tangentially related: Gorbatchev's famous "Those who are late will be castigated by life itself" ("Wer zu spät kommt, den bestraft das Leben"), aimed at Honecker.
    – Peter A. Schneider
    Nov 16 at 1:07










  • By “shitting ones,” do you mean those using the toilet?
    – Khalid Hussain
    yesterday








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I live in the U.S. and never had the pleasure of hearing this Lithuanian proverb before. Thank you! I have happily added it to my vocabulary. "The train does not wait for the shitting ones." Love it.
– Headblender
Nov 15 at 20:46




I live in the U.S. and never had the pleasure of hearing this Lithuanian proverb before. Thank you! I have happily added it to my vocabulary. "The train does not wait for the shitting ones." Love it.
– Headblender
Nov 15 at 20:46




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Tangentially related: Gorbatchev's famous "Those who are late will be castigated by life itself" ("Wer zu spät kommt, den bestraft das Leben"), aimed at Honecker.
– Peter A. Schneider
Nov 16 at 1:07




Tangentially related: Gorbatchev's famous "Those who are late will be castigated by life itself" ("Wer zu spät kommt, den bestraft das Leben"), aimed at Honecker.
– Peter A. Schneider
Nov 16 at 1:07












By “shitting ones,” do you mean those using the toilet?
– Khalid Hussain
yesterday






By “shitting ones,” do you mean those using the toilet?
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More succintly, and less formally, there is also "You snooze, you lose!"




(idiomatic) If you are not alert and attentive, you will not be successful.




https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_snooze_you_lose






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    Ah, this could be it! While it looks quite different, I think the idea behind is basically the same.
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    Honestly, I like this one MUST better than the Lithuanian one. Sometimes nature calls and then does not cooperate with a speedy exit, and it's not your fault that you missed the train because of this. Snoozing, on the other hand, implies something deliberate that is your fault, and at least to me this form of the word omits sleep disorders beyond your control.
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    I find this quite appropriate, maybe the closest in meaning, maybe just a little less common than some of the other suggestion, thanks!
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I can think of two that might be appropriate.



Though it doesn't necessarily deal directly with tardiness, there is, "You've made your bed. Now lie in it."
According to the online Cambridge Dictionary, it means:




said to someone who must accept the unpleasant results of something
they have done




Also, there is, "That ship has sailed."
The website UsingEnglish.com defines that as:




A particular opportunity has passed you by when that ship has sailed.




Although fault isn't explicit, I'd argue the latter idiom suggests the fault lies with the individual having waited too long to take advantage of an opportunity.






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    A variant is "to miss the boat": collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-miss-the-boat
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    @PaulJohnson: true, please post that one as answer in its own right, it's also good
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A day late and a dollar short



is another idiom meaning




late and ill-prepared




There is even a TV movie with this as a title based on a book of the same title






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  • Wow, so many story plots come to mind with this expression, truly poetic.
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    @brasofilo, and the universalit of the statement is amazing. Every person on Earth has experienced this truism.
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The early bird gets the worm.




Whoever arrives at the prize first gets it. (It's implied that slowpokes do not get anything)






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    “EARLY BIRD Oh, if you’re a bird, be an early bird And catch the worm for your breakfast plate. If you’re a bird, be an early early bird-- But if you’re a worm, sleep late.” ― Shel Silverstein, Where the Sidewalk Ends
    – KannE
    Nov 15 at 3:05






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    I still prefer the corollary: "But the second mouse gets the cheese..."
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  • And if you want something else for breakfast, get up later.
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How about




He who hesitates is lost




I had to look up the source for this proverb, which seems to be a play:



https://www.bookbrowse.com/expressions/detail/index.cfm/expression_number/455/he-who-hesitates-is-lost






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    Regarding 'trains' and tardiness...




    That train has left the station.




    (Also, the train instead of that train is said.)



    Broadly defined:




    That opportunity has already passed; that cannot be undone.




    https://www.phrases.net/phrase/that-train-has-left-the-station_20986



    It's similar to this saying--You've missed the boat.--meaning something is already underway, so it's too late to weigh in on that; you've missed your chance to do so or an opportunity in general.



    And regarding the [pooping] ones...



    "[Poop] or get off the pot!" Basic meaning: Quit stalling!



    Get it? Public restroom stalls... Never mind; toilet humor is optional.






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    • Isn't 'shit or get off the pot' more about hogging facilities/opportunities and stopping others accessing them? It's akin to 'dog in the manger' in that it is about the result of the shitter/dog being in a place they have no use for as a dog cannot east hay. The idiom the OP is after is about the person's loss being their own fault.
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    • @Spagirl, I know, some people use it like--My turn!--quite literally in public restrooms sometimes, but it's more about the 'constipated' person wasting time and possibly missing out because of it; it's not really about selfishness, but that's an interesting viewpoint. Which are we more concerned about--the pooper or the pot?--ha-ha. In any case, the poop part is intended to be an aside; that's why no reference is cited for it, but here is one just FYI: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/….
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    • I stand corrected then, that's certainly never been my understanding of the meaning. Every day a school day!
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    I've once heard the latin saying :




    Tarde venientibus ossa.




    Those who come late just get the scraps [litt. 'bones'].



    This is admittedly not English, but a reference exists in wikipedia.






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    • My English parents used this saying on me to mean "you are too late and it is your fault". Typically for not getting to the dinner table promptly and the worst I ever actually got was a cold dinner.
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    @drewhart mentioned "that ship has sailed". A common variant is "You missed the boat".






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    • Yes but neither has any inference of "fault", does it?
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    If you say




    Too little, too late




    you're "blaming someone for not doing enough to prevent a problem and for taking action only after the problem had become very bad."



    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/too-little-too-late






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      More succintly, and less formally, there is also "You snooze, you lose!"




      (idiomatic) If you are not alert and attentive, you will not be successful.




      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_snooze_you_lose






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        Ah, this could be it! While it looks quite different, I think the idea behind is basically the same.
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        Honestly, I like this one MUST better than the Lithuanian one. Sometimes nature calls and then does not cooperate with a speedy exit, and it's not your fault that you missed the train because of this. Snoozing, on the other hand, implies something deliberate that is your fault, and at least to me this form of the word omits sleep disorders beyond your control.
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      More succintly, and less formally, there is also "You snooze, you lose!"




      (idiomatic) If you are not alert and attentive, you will not be successful.




      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_snooze_you_lose






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        Ah, this could be it! While it looks quite different, I think the idea behind is basically the same.
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        Honestly, I like this one MUST better than the Lithuanian one. Sometimes nature calls and then does not cooperate with a speedy exit, and it's not your fault that you missed the train because of this. Snoozing, on the other hand, implies something deliberate that is your fault, and at least to me this form of the word omits sleep disorders beyond your control.
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      More succintly, and less formally, there is also "You snooze, you lose!"




      (idiomatic) If you are not alert and attentive, you will not be successful.




      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_snooze_you_lose






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      More succintly, and less formally, there is also "You snooze, you lose!"




      (idiomatic) If you are not alert and attentive, you will not be successful.




      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_snooze_you_lose







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        Ah, this could be it! While it looks quite different, I think the idea behind is basically the same.
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        Nov 15 at 9:10






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        Honestly, I like this one MUST better than the Lithuanian one. Sometimes nature calls and then does not cooperate with a speedy exit, and it's not your fault that you missed the train because of this. Snoozing, on the other hand, implies something deliberate that is your fault, and at least to me this form of the word omits sleep disorders beyond your control.
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        Ah, this could be it! While it looks quite different, I think the idea behind is basically the same.
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        Honestly, I like this one MUST better than the Lithuanian one. Sometimes nature calls and then does not cooperate with a speedy exit, and it's not your fault that you missed the train because of this. Snoozing, on the other hand, implies something deliberate that is your fault, and at least to me this form of the word omits sleep disorders beyond your control.
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      Ah, this could be it! While it looks quite different, I think the idea behind is basically the same.
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      Ah, this could be it! While it looks quite different, I think the idea behind is basically the same.
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      Honestly, I like this one MUST better than the Lithuanian one. Sometimes nature calls and then does not cooperate with a speedy exit, and it's not your fault that you missed the train because of this. Snoozing, on the other hand, implies something deliberate that is your fault, and at least to me this form of the word omits sleep disorders beyond your control.
      – Michael
      Nov 16 at 22:29




      Honestly, I like this one MUST better than the Lithuanian one. Sometimes nature calls and then does not cooperate with a speedy exit, and it's not your fault that you missed the train because of this. Snoozing, on the other hand, implies something deliberate that is your fault, and at least to me this form of the word omits sleep disorders beyond your control.
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        I find this quite appropriate, maybe the closest in meaning, maybe just a little less common than some of the other suggestion, thanks!
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        @justhalf It's really not obligatory. You could just ... not post xkcd links. It's not even a funny comic...
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        Obligatory XKCD: xkcd.com/1704
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        I find this quite appropriate, maybe the closest in meaning, maybe just a little less common than some of the other suggestion, thanks!
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        @justhalf It's really not obligatory. You could just ... not post xkcd links. It's not even a funny comic...
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        I find this quite appropriate, maybe the closest in meaning, maybe just a little less common than some of the other suggestion, thanks!
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        @justhalf It's really not obligatory. You could just ... not post xkcd links. It's not even a funny comic...
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        Obligatory XKCD: xkcd.com/1704
        – justhalf
        Nov 14 at 18:16






      • 1




        I find this quite appropriate, maybe the closest in meaning, maybe just a little less common than some of the other suggestion, thanks!
        – april
        Nov 15 at 9:08








      • 2




        @justhalf It's really not obligatory. You could just ... not post xkcd links. It's not even a funny comic...
        – only_pro
        Nov 16 at 18:22






      • 5




        XKCD adds value to everything. (46 upvoters agree)
        – Yvonne Aburrow
        Nov 16 at 18:52








      67




      67




      Obligatory XKCD: xkcd.com/1704
      – justhalf
      Nov 14 at 18:16




      Obligatory XKCD: xkcd.com/1704
      – justhalf
      Nov 14 at 18:16




      1




      1




      I find this quite appropriate, maybe the closest in meaning, maybe just a little less common than some of the other suggestion, thanks!
      – april
      Nov 15 at 9:08






      I find this quite appropriate, maybe the closest in meaning, maybe just a little less common than some of the other suggestion, thanks!
      – april
      Nov 15 at 9:08






      2




      2




      @justhalf It's really not obligatory. You could just ... not post xkcd links. It's not even a funny comic...
      – only_pro
      Nov 16 at 18:22




      @justhalf It's really not obligatory. You could just ... not post xkcd links. It's not even a funny comic...
      – only_pro
      Nov 16 at 18:22




      5




      5




      XKCD adds value to everything. (46 upvoters agree)
      – Yvonne Aburrow
      Nov 16 at 18:52




      XKCD adds value to everything. (46 upvoters agree)
      – Yvonne Aburrow
      Nov 16 at 18:52










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      I can think of two that might be appropriate.



      Though it doesn't necessarily deal directly with tardiness, there is, "You've made your bed. Now lie in it."
      According to the online Cambridge Dictionary, it means:




      said to someone who must accept the unpleasant results of something
      they have done




      Also, there is, "That ship has sailed."
      The website UsingEnglish.com defines that as:




      A particular opportunity has passed you by when that ship has sailed.




      Although fault isn't explicit, I'd argue the latter idiom suggests the fault lies with the individual having waited too long to take advantage of an opportunity.






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      • 5




        A variant is "to miss the boat": collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-miss-the-boat
        – Paul Johnson
        Nov 16 at 11:01






      • 1




        @PaulJohnson: true, please post that one as answer in its own right, it's also good
        – smci
        Nov 17 at 2:27















      up vote
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      I can think of two that might be appropriate.



      Though it doesn't necessarily deal directly with tardiness, there is, "You've made your bed. Now lie in it."
      According to the online Cambridge Dictionary, it means:




      said to someone who must accept the unpleasant results of something
      they have done




      Also, there is, "That ship has sailed."
      The website UsingEnglish.com defines that as:




      A particular opportunity has passed you by when that ship has sailed.




      Although fault isn't explicit, I'd argue the latter idiom suggests the fault lies with the individual having waited too long to take advantage of an opportunity.






      share|improve this answer



















      • 5




        A variant is "to miss the boat": collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-miss-the-boat
        – Paul Johnson
        Nov 16 at 11:01






      • 1




        @PaulJohnson: true, please post that one as answer in its own right, it's also good
        – smci
        Nov 17 at 2:27













      up vote
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      down vote










      up vote
      44
      down vote









      I can think of two that might be appropriate.



      Though it doesn't necessarily deal directly with tardiness, there is, "You've made your bed. Now lie in it."
      According to the online Cambridge Dictionary, it means:




      said to someone who must accept the unpleasant results of something
      they have done




      Also, there is, "That ship has sailed."
      The website UsingEnglish.com defines that as:




      A particular opportunity has passed you by when that ship has sailed.




      Although fault isn't explicit, I'd argue the latter idiom suggests the fault lies with the individual having waited too long to take advantage of an opportunity.






      share|improve this answer














      I can think of two that might be appropriate.



      Though it doesn't necessarily deal directly with tardiness, there is, "You've made your bed. Now lie in it."
      According to the online Cambridge Dictionary, it means:




      said to someone who must accept the unpleasant results of something
      they have done




      Also, there is, "That ship has sailed."
      The website UsingEnglish.com defines that as:




      A particular opportunity has passed you by when that ship has sailed.




      Although fault isn't explicit, I'd argue the latter idiom suggests the fault lies with the individual having waited too long to take advantage of an opportunity.







      share|improve this answer














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      answered Nov 14 at 16:13









      drewhart

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      • 5




        A variant is "to miss the boat": collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-miss-the-boat
        – Paul Johnson
        Nov 16 at 11:01






      • 1




        @PaulJohnson: true, please post that one as answer in its own right, it's also good
        – smci
        Nov 17 at 2:27














      • 5




        A variant is "to miss the boat": collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-miss-the-boat
        – Paul Johnson
        Nov 16 at 11:01






      • 1




        @PaulJohnson: true, please post that one as answer in its own right, it's also good
        – smci
        Nov 17 at 2:27








      5




      5




      A variant is "to miss the boat": collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-miss-the-boat
      – Paul Johnson
      Nov 16 at 11:01




      A variant is "to miss the boat": collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-miss-the-boat
      – Paul Johnson
      Nov 16 at 11:01




      1




      1




      @PaulJohnson: true, please post that one as answer in its own right, it's also good
      – smci
      Nov 17 at 2:27




      @PaulJohnson: true, please post that one as answer in its own right, it's also good
      – smci
      Nov 17 at 2:27










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      A day late and a dollar short



      is another idiom meaning




      late and ill-prepared




      There is even a TV movie with this as a title based on a book of the same title






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      • Wow, so many story plots come to mind with this expression, truly poetic.
        – brasofilo
        yesterday






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        @brasofilo, and the universalit of the statement is amazing. Every person on Earth has experienced this truism.
        – JBH
        yesterday















      up vote
      26
      down vote













      A day late and a dollar short



      is another idiom meaning




      late and ill-prepared




      There is even a TV movie with this as a title based on a book of the same title






      share|improve this answer





















      • Wow, so many story plots come to mind with this expression, truly poetic.
        – brasofilo
        yesterday






      • 1




        @brasofilo, and the universalit of the statement is amazing. Every person on Earth has experienced this truism.
        – JBH
        yesterday













      up vote
      26
      down vote










      up vote
      26
      down vote









      A day late and a dollar short



      is another idiom meaning




      late and ill-prepared




      There is even a TV movie with this as a title based on a book of the same title






      share|improve this answer












      A day late and a dollar short



      is another idiom meaning




      late and ill-prepared




      There is even a TV movie with this as a title based on a book of the same title







      share|improve this answer












      share|improve this answer



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      answered Nov 14 at 22:51









      Michael J.

      1,872514




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      • Wow, so many story plots come to mind with this expression, truly poetic.
        – brasofilo
        yesterday






      • 1




        @brasofilo, and the universalit of the statement is amazing. Every person on Earth has experienced this truism.
        – JBH
        yesterday


















      • Wow, so many story plots come to mind with this expression, truly poetic.
        – brasofilo
        yesterday






      • 1




        @brasofilo, and the universalit of the statement is amazing. Every person on Earth has experienced this truism.
        – JBH
        yesterday
















      Wow, so many story plots come to mind with this expression, truly poetic.
      – brasofilo
      yesterday




      Wow, so many story plots come to mind with this expression, truly poetic.
      – brasofilo
      yesterday




      1




      1




      @brasofilo, and the universalit of the statement is amazing. Every person on Earth has experienced this truism.
      – JBH
      yesterday




      @brasofilo, and the universalit of the statement is amazing. Every person on Earth has experienced this truism.
      – JBH
      yesterday










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      The early bird gets the worm.




      Whoever arrives at the prize first gets it. (It's implied that slowpokes do not get anything)






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        “EARLY BIRD Oh, if you’re a bird, be an early bird And catch the worm for your breakfast plate. If you’re a bird, be an early early bird-- But if you’re a worm, sleep late.” ― Shel Silverstein, Where the Sidewalk Ends
        – KannE
        Nov 15 at 3:05






      • 13




        I still prefer the corollary: "But the second mouse gets the cheese..."
        – Darrel Hoffman
        Nov 15 at 16:32










      • And if you want something else for breakfast, get up later.
        – RedSonja
        Nov 16 at 9:14















      up vote
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      The early bird gets the worm.




      Whoever arrives at the prize first gets it. (It's implied that slowpokes do not get anything)






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        “EARLY BIRD Oh, if you’re a bird, be an early bird And catch the worm for your breakfast plate. If you’re a bird, be an early early bird-- But if you’re a worm, sleep late.” ― Shel Silverstein, Where the Sidewalk Ends
        – KannE
        Nov 15 at 3:05






      • 13




        I still prefer the corollary: "But the second mouse gets the cheese..."
        – Darrel Hoffman
        Nov 15 at 16:32










      • And if you want something else for breakfast, get up later.
        – RedSonja
        Nov 16 at 9:14













      up vote
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      up vote
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      The early bird gets the worm.




      Whoever arrives at the prize first gets it. (It's implied that slowpokes do not get anything)






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      The early bird gets the worm.




      Whoever arrives at the prize first gets it. (It's implied that slowpokes do not get anything)







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      answered Nov 15 at 2:09









      Arcanist Lupus

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      • 8




        “EARLY BIRD Oh, if you’re a bird, be an early bird And catch the worm for your breakfast plate. If you’re a bird, be an early early bird-- But if you’re a worm, sleep late.” ― Shel Silverstein, Where the Sidewalk Ends
        – KannE
        Nov 15 at 3:05






      • 13




        I still prefer the corollary: "But the second mouse gets the cheese..."
        – Darrel Hoffman
        Nov 15 at 16:32










      • And if you want something else for breakfast, get up later.
        – RedSonja
        Nov 16 at 9:14














      • 8




        “EARLY BIRD Oh, if you’re a bird, be an early bird And catch the worm for your breakfast plate. If you’re a bird, be an early early bird-- But if you’re a worm, sleep late.” ― Shel Silverstein, Where the Sidewalk Ends
        – KannE
        Nov 15 at 3:05






      • 13




        I still prefer the corollary: "But the second mouse gets the cheese..."
        – Darrel Hoffman
        Nov 15 at 16:32










      • And if you want something else for breakfast, get up later.
        – RedSonja
        Nov 16 at 9:14








      8




      8




      “EARLY BIRD Oh, if you’re a bird, be an early bird And catch the worm for your breakfast plate. If you’re a bird, be an early early bird-- But if you’re a worm, sleep late.” ― Shel Silverstein, Where the Sidewalk Ends
      – KannE
      Nov 15 at 3:05




      “EARLY BIRD Oh, if you’re a bird, be an early bird And catch the worm for your breakfast plate. If you’re a bird, be an early early bird-- But if you’re a worm, sleep late.” ― Shel Silverstein, Where the Sidewalk Ends
      – KannE
      Nov 15 at 3:05




      13




      13




      I still prefer the corollary: "But the second mouse gets the cheese..."
      – Darrel Hoffman
      Nov 15 at 16:32




      I still prefer the corollary: "But the second mouse gets the cheese..."
      – Darrel Hoffman
      Nov 15 at 16:32












      And if you want something else for breakfast, get up later.
      – RedSonja
      Nov 16 at 9:14




      And if you want something else for breakfast, get up later.
      – RedSonja
      Nov 16 at 9:14










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      How about




      He who hesitates is lost




      I had to look up the source for this proverb, which seems to be a play:



      https://www.bookbrowse.com/expressions/detail/index.cfm/expression_number/455/he-who-hesitates-is-lost






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        How about




        He who hesitates is lost




        I had to look up the source for this proverb, which seems to be a play:



        https://www.bookbrowse.com/expressions/detail/index.cfm/expression_number/455/he-who-hesitates-is-lost






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          up vote
          8
          down vote










          up vote
          8
          down vote









          How about




          He who hesitates is lost




          I had to look up the source for this proverb, which seems to be a play:



          https://www.bookbrowse.com/expressions/detail/index.cfm/expression_number/455/he-who-hesitates-is-lost






          share|improve this answer












          How about




          He who hesitates is lost




          I had to look up the source for this proverb, which seems to be a play:



          https://www.bookbrowse.com/expressions/detail/index.cfm/expression_number/455/he-who-hesitates-is-lost







          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



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          answered Nov 14 at 22:28









          pbasdf

          862116




          862116






















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              Regarding 'trains' and tardiness...




              That train has left the station.




              (Also, the train instead of that train is said.)



              Broadly defined:




              That opportunity has already passed; that cannot be undone.




              https://www.phrases.net/phrase/that-train-has-left-the-station_20986



              It's similar to this saying--You've missed the boat.--meaning something is already underway, so it's too late to weigh in on that; you've missed your chance to do so or an opportunity in general.



              And regarding the [pooping] ones...



              "[Poop] or get off the pot!" Basic meaning: Quit stalling!



              Get it? Public restroom stalls... Never mind; toilet humor is optional.






              share|improve this answer























              • Isn't 'shit or get off the pot' more about hogging facilities/opportunities and stopping others accessing them? It's akin to 'dog in the manger' in that it is about the result of the shitter/dog being in a place they have no use for as a dog cannot east hay. The idiom the OP is after is about the person's loss being their own fault.
                – Spagirl
                Nov 15 at 15:08












              • @Spagirl, I know, some people use it like--My turn!--quite literally in public restrooms sometimes, but it's more about the 'constipated' person wasting time and possibly missing out because of it; it's not really about selfishness, but that's an interesting viewpoint. Which are we more concerned about--the pooper or the pot?--ha-ha. In any case, the poop part is intended to be an aside; that's why no reference is cited for it, but here is one just FYI: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/….
                – KannE
                Nov 15 at 17:25












              • I stand corrected then, that's certainly never been my understanding of the meaning. Every day a school day!
                – Spagirl
                Nov 15 at 17:33






              • 1




                My upvote is for "The train has left the station."
                – J.R.
                Nov 16 at 12:28















              up vote
              8
              down vote













              Regarding 'trains' and tardiness...




              That train has left the station.




              (Also, the train instead of that train is said.)



              Broadly defined:




              That opportunity has already passed; that cannot be undone.




              https://www.phrases.net/phrase/that-train-has-left-the-station_20986



              It's similar to this saying--You've missed the boat.--meaning something is already underway, so it's too late to weigh in on that; you've missed your chance to do so or an opportunity in general.



              And regarding the [pooping] ones...



              "[Poop] or get off the pot!" Basic meaning: Quit stalling!



              Get it? Public restroom stalls... Never mind; toilet humor is optional.






              share|improve this answer























              • Isn't 'shit or get off the pot' more about hogging facilities/opportunities and stopping others accessing them? It's akin to 'dog in the manger' in that it is about the result of the shitter/dog being in a place they have no use for as a dog cannot east hay. The idiom the OP is after is about the person's loss being their own fault.
                – Spagirl
                Nov 15 at 15:08












              • @Spagirl, I know, some people use it like--My turn!--quite literally in public restrooms sometimes, but it's more about the 'constipated' person wasting time and possibly missing out because of it; it's not really about selfishness, but that's an interesting viewpoint. Which are we more concerned about--the pooper or the pot?--ha-ha. In any case, the poop part is intended to be an aside; that's why no reference is cited for it, but here is one just FYI: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/….
                – KannE
                Nov 15 at 17:25












              • I stand corrected then, that's certainly never been my understanding of the meaning. Every day a school day!
                – Spagirl
                Nov 15 at 17:33






              • 1




                My upvote is for "The train has left the station."
                – J.R.
                Nov 16 at 12:28













              up vote
              8
              down vote










              up vote
              8
              down vote









              Regarding 'trains' and tardiness...




              That train has left the station.




              (Also, the train instead of that train is said.)



              Broadly defined:




              That opportunity has already passed; that cannot be undone.




              https://www.phrases.net/phrase/that-train-has-left-the-station_20986



              It's similar to this saying--You've missed the boat.--meaning something is already underway, so it's too late to weigh in on that; you've missed your chance to do so or an opportunity in general.



              And regarding the [pooping] ones...



              "[Poop] or get off the pot!" Basic meaning: Quit stalling!



              Get it? Public restroom stalls... Never mind; toilet humor is optional.






              share|improve this answer














              Regarding 'trains' and tardiness...




              That train has left the station.




              (Also, the train instead of that train is said.)



              Broadly defined:




              That opportunity has already passed; that cannot be undone.




              https://www.phrases.net/phrase/that-train-has-left-the-station_20986



              It's similar to this saying--You've missed the boat.--meaning something is already underway, so it's too late to weigh in on that; you've missed your chance to do so or an opportunity in general.



              And regarding the [pooping] ones...



              "[Poop] or get off the pot!" Basic meaning: Quit stalling!



              Get it? Public restroom stalls... Never mind; toilet humor is optional.







              share|improve this answer














              share|improve this answer



              share|improve this answer








              edited Nov 16 at 15:02

























              answered Nov 15 at 4:38









              KannE

              798114




              798114












              • Isn't 'shit or get off the pot' more about hogging facilities/opportunities and stopping others accessing them? It's akin to 'dog in the manger' in that it is about the result of the shitter/dog being in a place they have no use for as a dog cannot east hay. The idiom the OP is after is about the person's loss being their own fault.
                – Spagirl
                Nov 15 at 15:08












              • @Spagirl, I know, some people use it like--My turn!--quite literally in public restrooms sometimes, but it's more about the 'constipated' person wasting time and possibly missing out because of it; it's not really about selfishness, but that's an interesting viewpoint. Which are we more concerned about--the pooper or the pot?--ha-ha. In any case, the poop part is intended to be an aside; that's why no reference is cited for it, but here is one just FYI: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/….
                – KannE
                Nov 15 at 17:25












              • I stand corrected then, that's certainly never been my understanding of the meaning. Every day a school day!
                – Spagirl
                Nov 15 at 17:33






              • 1




                My upvote is for "The train has left the station."
                – J.R.
                Nov 16 at 12:28


















              • Isn't 'shit or get off the pot' more about hogging facilities/opportunities and stopping others accessing them? It's akin to 'dog in the manger' in that it is about the result of the shitter/dog being in a place they have no use for as a dog cannot east hay. The idiom the OP is after is about the person's loss being their own fault.
                – Spagirl
                Nov 15 at 15:08












              • @Spagirl, I know, some people use it like--My turn!--quite literally in public restrooms sometimes, but it's more about the 'constipated' person wasting time and possibly missing out because of it; it's not really about selfishness, but that's an interesting viewpoint. Which are we more concerned about--the pooper or the pot?--ha-ha. In any case, the poop part is intended to be an aside; that's why no reference is cited for it, but here is one just FYI: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/….
                – KannE
                Nov 15 at 17:25












              • I stand corrected then, that's certainly never been my understanding of the meaning. Every day a school day!
                – Spagirl
                Nov 15 at 17:33






              • 1




                My upvote is for "The train has left the station."
                – J.R.
                Nov 16 at 12:28
















              Isn't 'shit or get off the pot' more about hogging facilities/opportunities and stopping others accessing them? It's akin to 'dog in the manger' in that it is about the result of the shitter/dog being in a place they have no use for as a dog cannot east hay. The idiom the OP is after is about the person's loss being their own fault.
              – Spagirl
              Nov 15 at 15:08






              Isn't 'shit or get off the pot' more about hogging facilities/opportunities and stopping others accessing them? It's akin to 'dog in the manger' in that it is about the result of the shitter/dog being in a place they have no use for as a dog cannot east hay. The idiom the OP is after is about the person's loss being their own fault.
              – Spagirl
              Nov 15 at 15:08














              @Spagirl, I know, some people use it like--My turn!--quite literally in public restrooms sometimes, but it's more about the 'constipated' person wasting time and possibly missing out because of it; it's not really about selfishness, but that's an interesting viewpoint. Which are we more concerned about--the pooper or the pot?--ha-ha. In any case, the poop part is intended to be an aside; that's why no reference is cited for it, but here is one just FYI: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/….
              – KannE
              Nov 15 at 17:25






              @Spagirl, I know, some people use it like--My turn!--quite literally in public restrooms sometimes, but it's more about the 'constipated' person wasting time and possibly missing out because of it; it's not really about selfishness, but that's an interesting viewpoint. Which are we more concerned about--the pooper or the pot?--ha-ha. In any case, the poop part is intended to be an aside; that's why no reference is cited for it, but here is one just FYI: en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/….
              – KannE
              Nov 15 at 17:25














              I stand corrected then, that's certainly never been my understanding of the meaning. Every day a school day!
              – Spagirl
              Nov 15 at 17:33




              I stand corrected then, that's certainly never been my understanding of the meaning. Every day a school day!
              – Spagirl
              Nov 15 at 17:33




              1




              1




              My upvote is for "The train has left the station."
              – J.R.
              Nov 16 at 12:28




              My upvote is for "The train has left the station."
              – J.R.
              Nov 16 at 12:28










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              I've once heard the latin saying :




              Tarde venientibus ossa.




              Those who come late just get the scraps [litt. 'bones'].



              This is admittedly not English, but a reference exists in wikipedia.






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              • My English parents used this saying on me to mean "you are too late and it is your fault". Typically for not getting to the dinner table promptly and the worst I ever actually got was a cold dinner.
                – Simon G.
                Nov 15 at 16:19















              up vote
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              I've once heard the latin saying :




              Tarde venientibus ossa.




              Those who come late just get the scraps [litt. 'bones'].



              This is admittedly not English, but a reference exists in wikipedia.






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              • My English parents used this saying on me to mean "you are too late and it is your fault". Typically for not getting to the dinner table promptly and the worst I ever actually got was a cold dinner.
                – Simon G.
                Nov 15 at 16:19













              up vote
              4
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              up vote
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              down vote









              I've once heard the latin saying :




              Tarde venientibus ossa.




              Those who come late just get the scraps [litt. 'bones'].



              This is admittedly not English, but a reference exists in wikipedia.






              share|improve this answer












              I've once heard the latin saying :




              Tarde venientibus ossa.




              Those who come late just get the scraps [litt. 'bones'].



              This is admittedly not English, but a reference exists in wikipedia.







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              • My English parents used this saying on me to mean "you are too late and it is your fault". Typically for not getting to the dinner table promptly and the worst I ever actually got was a cold dinner.
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              • My English parents used this saying on me to mean "you are too late and it is your fault". Typically for not getting to the dinner table promptly and the worst I ever actually got was a cold dinner.
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              My English parents used this saying on me to mean "you are too late and it is your fault". Typically for not getting to the dinner table promptly and the worst I ever actually got was a cold dinner.
              – Simon G.
              Nov 15 at 16:19




              My English parents used this saying on me to mean "you are too late and it is your fault". Typically for not getting to the dinner table promptly and the worst I ever actually got was a cold dinner.
              – Simon G.
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              @drewhart mentioned "that ship has sailed". A common variant is "You missed the boat".






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              • Yes but neither has any inference of "fault", does it?
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              @drewhart mentioned "that ship has sailed". A common variant is "You missed the boat".






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              • Yes but neither has any inference of "fault", does it?
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              @drewhart mentioned "that ship has sailed". A common variant is "You missed the boat".






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              @drewhart mentioned "that ship has sailed". A common variant is "You missed the boat".







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              • Yes but neither has any inference of "fault", does it?
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              • Yes but neither has any inference of "fault", does it?
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              Yes but neither has any inference of "fault", does it?
              – Robbie Goodwin
              9 hours ago




              Yes but neither has any inference of "fault", does it?
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              If you say




              Too little, too late




              you're "blaming someone for not doing enough to prevent a problem and for taking action only after the problem had become very bad."



              https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/too-little-too-late






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                If you say




                Too little, too late




                you're "blaming someone for not doing enough to prevent a problem and for taking action only after the problem had become very bad."



                https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/too-little-too-late






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                  If you say




                  Too little, too late




                  you're "blaming someone for not doing enough to prevent a problem and for taking action only after the problem had become very bad."



                  https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/too-little-too-late






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                  If you say




                  Too little, too late




                  you're "blaming someone for not doing enough to prevent a problem and for taking action only after the problem had become very bad."



                  https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/too-little-too-late







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