Question on sequences and induction [duplicate]
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I'm trying to show that $a_n$ is increasing where $a_1=1$ and $a_{n+1}$ = $ sqrt{a_n+2}$
I proceeded by induction so showed that $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all n greater than 1
So I showed it was true for n=1
Then assumed $a_{k+1}>a_k$ for some k greater than 1
Then I add two to both sides and square root to show it's true for k+1.
So $a_{k+1}+2>a_k+2$
$ sqrt{a_{k+1}+2}> sqrt{a_k+2}$
Which is $a_{k+2}>a_{k+1}$
So is this ok to show this statement?
Also how would you show that a_n has a limit and compute $lim_na_n$
I think to compute the limit you need to prove that if $b_n$ goes to b then $ sqrt{b_n+2}$ goes to $ sqrt{b+2}$ thank you for your help.
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I'm trying to show that $a_n$ is increasing where $a_1=1$ and $a_{n+1}$ = $ sqrt{a_n+2}$
I proceeded by induction so showed that $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all n greater than 1
So I showed it was true for n=1
Then assumed $a_{k+1}>a_k$ for some k greater than 1
Then I add two to both sides and square root to show it's true for k+1.
So $a_{k+1}+2>a_k+2$
$ sqrt{a_{k+1}+2}> sqrt{a_k+2}$
Which is $a_{k+2}>a_{k+1}$
So is this ok to show this statement?
Also how would you show that a_n has a limit and compute $lim_na_n$
I think to compute the limit you need to prove that if $b_n$ goes to b then $ sqrt{b_n+2}$ goes to $ sqrt{b+2}$ thank you for your help.
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Your argument is incorrectly structured. You prove it for $n = 1$, then, assuming it is true for $n$, show it is true for $n + 1$.
– ncmathsadist
Nov 26 at 1:43
Please try to make the titles of your questions more informative. For example, Why does $a<b$ imply $a+c<b+c$? is much more useful for other users than A question about inequality. From How can I ask a good question?: Make your title as descriptive as possible. In many cases one can actually phrase the title as the question, at least in such a way so as to be comprehensible to an expert reader. You can find more tips for choosing a good title here.
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:43
1
Please edit the question accordingly :)
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:44
Ok, I don't understand is that not what I have done
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 1:47
Hi, could you edit your question to make it a little clearer by including some of the steps, thanks.
– Carlos Bacca
Nov 26 at 2:23
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Show that the sequence $sqrt{2}, sqrt{2+sqrt{2}}, sqrt{2+sqrt{2+sqrt{2+}}}…$ converges and find its limit. [duplicate]
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I'm trying to show that $a_n$ is increasing where $a_1=1$ and $a_{n+1}$ = $ sqrt{a_n+2}$
I proceeded by induction so showed that $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all n greater than 1
So I showed it was true for n=1
Then assumed $a_{k+1}>a_k$ for some k greater than 1
Then I add two to both sides and square root to show it's true for k+1.
So $a_{k+1}+2>a_k+2$
$ sqrt{a_{k+1}+2}> sqrt{a_k+2}$
Which is $a_{k+2}>a_{k+1}$
So is this ok to show this statement?
Also how would you show that a_n has a limit and compute $lim_na_n$
I think to compute the limit you need to prove that if $b_n$ goes to b then $ sqrt{b_n+2}$ goes to $ sqrt{b+2}$ thank you for your help.
sequences-and-series
This question already has an answer here:
Show that the sequence $sqrt{2}, sqrt{2+sqrt{2}}, sqrt{2+sqrt{2+sqrt{2+}}}…$ converges and find its limit. [duplicate]
3 answers
I'm trying to show that $a_n$ is increasing where $a_1=1$ and $a_{n+1}$ = $ sqrt{a_n+2}$
I proceeded by induction so showed that $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all n greater than 1
So I showed it was true for n=1
Then assumed $a_{k+1}>a_k$ for some k greater than 1
Then I add two to both sides and square root to show it's true for k+1.
So $a_{k+1}+2>a_k+2$
$ sqrt{a_{k+1}+2}> sqrt{a_k+2}$
Which is $a_{k+2}>a_{k+1}$
So is this ok to show this statement?
Also how would you show that a_n has a limit and compute $lim_na_n$
I think to compute the limit you need to prove that if $b_n$ goes to b then $ sqrt{b_n+2}$ goes to $ sqrt{b+2}$ thank you for your help.
This question already has an answer here:
Show that the sequence $sqrt{2}, sqrt{2+sqrt{2}}, sqrt{2+sqrt{2+sqrt{2+}}}…$ converges and find its limit. [duplicate]
3 answers
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Your argument is incorrectly structured. You prove it for $n = 1$, then, assuming it is true for $n$, show it is true for $n + 1$.
– ncmathsadist
Nov 26 at 1:43
Please try to make the titles of your questions more informative. For example, Why does $a<b$ imply $a+c<b+c$? is much more useful for other users than A question about inequality. From How can I ask a good question?: Make your title as descriptive as possible. In many cases one can actually phrase the title as the question, at least in such a way so as to be comprehensible to an expert reader. You can find more tips for choosing a good title here.
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:43
1
Please edit the question accordingly :)
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:44
Ok, I don't understand is that not what I have done
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 1:47
Hi, could you edit your question to make it a little clearer by including some of the steps, thanks.
– Carlos Bacca
Nov 26 at 2:23
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Your argument is incorrectly structured. You prove it for $n = 1$, then, assuming it is true for $n$, show it is true for $n + 1$.
– ncmathsadist
Nov 26 at 1:43
Please try to make the titles of your questions more informative. For example, Why does $a<b$ imply $a+c<b+c$? is much more useful for other users than A question about inequality. From How can I ask a good question?: Make your title as descriptive as possible. In many cases one can actually phrase the title as the question, at least in such a way so as to be comprehensible to an expert reader. You can find more tips for choosing a good title here.
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:43
1
Please edit the question accordingly :)
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:44
Ok, I don't understand is that not what I have done
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 1:47
Hi, could you edit your question to make it a little clearer by including some of the steps, thanks.
– Carlos Bacca
Nov 26 at 2:23
Your argument is incorrectly structured. You prove it for $n = 1$, then, assuming it is true for $n$, show it is true for $n + 1$.
– ncmathsadist
Nov 26 at 1:43
Your argument is incorrectly structured. You prove it for $n = 1$, then, assuming it is true for $n$, show it is true for $n + 1$.
– ncmathsadist
Nov 26 at 1:43
Please try to make the titles of your questions more informative. For example, Why does $a<b$ imply $a+c<b+c$? is much more useful for other users than A question about inequality. From How can I ask a good question?: Make your title as descriptive as possible. In many cases one can actually phrase the title as the question, at least in such a way so as to be comprehensible to an expert reader. You can find more tips for choosing a good title here.
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:43
Please try to make the titles of your questions more informative. For example, Why does $a<b$ imply $a+c<b+c$? is much more useful for other users than A question about inequality. From How can I ask a good question?: Make your title as descriptive as possible. In many cases one can actually phrase the title as the question, at least in such a way so as to be comprehensible to an expert reader. You can find more tips for choosing a good title here.
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:43
1
1
Please edit the question accordingly :)
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:44
Please edit the question accordingly :)
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:44
Ok, I don't understand is that not what I have done
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 1:47
Ok, I don't understand is that not what I have done
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 1:47
Hi, could you edit your question to make it a little clearer by including some of the steps, thanks.
– Carlos Bacca
Nov 26 at 2:23
Hi, could you edit your question to make it a little clearer by including some of the steps, thanks.
– Carlos Bacca
Nov 26 at 2:23
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If
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+2}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+2
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-2)
=-(a_n-2)(a_n+1)
$.
Therefore,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-2 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$sqrt{a_n+2}
lt sqrt{4}
= 2$.
For $a_1 = 1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le 2$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+2$
so
$L = 2$
or
$L = -1$.
Since $L > 1$,
we must have
$L = 2$.
More generally,
if
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+k}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+k
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+k-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
$.
This factors if
$1+4k$
is a square,
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
(since $4k+1$ is odd).
The roots of
$x^2-x-k = 0$
are then
$dfrac{1pm (2d+1)}{2}
=dfrac{2d+2, -2d}{2}
=d+1, -d
$.
Therefore
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
=-(a_n-d-1)(a_n+d)
$.
If $0 < a_n le d+1$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-d-1 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < d+1$
since
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
so that
$k = d^2+d$,
then
$sqrt{a_n+k}
lt sqrt{d+1+d^2+d}
= sqrt{d^2+2d+1}
= d+1$.
For $0 < a_1 lt d+1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le d+1$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+k$
so
$L = d+1$
or
$L = -d$.
Since $L > 0$,
we must have
$L = d+1$.
For the original problem,
$k=2$ gives
$d=1$.
Hi tha k you. Why do you only consider an from 0 to 2?
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:13
Because if $a_n > 2$ then $2 < a_{n+1} < a_n$.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 5:20
So does that show an is increasing or are you assuming it
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:28
The increasing or decreasing of $a_n$ follows from $a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2 =a_n+2-a_n^2 =-(a_n^2-a_n-2) =-(a_n-2)(a_n+1) $.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 6:53
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First consider that $a_n$ may have a limit $L$. If $L$ exists then $L=lim_{nto infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nto infty}sqrt {2+a_n},=sqrt {2+L}. $
So if $a_n$ is strictly increasing with $a_1=1$ and if $L$ exists then $0<L=sqrt {2+L},$ so $L=2.$ So prove that $2>a_{n+1}>a_n >0$ for all $n$ by induction:
(i). We have $2>a_1>0.$
(ii). If $2>a_n>0$ then $4>2+a_n>0$ so $2>sqrt {2+a_n},=a_{n+1}>0$. So $2>a_n>0$ for all $n$ by induction.
(iii). Since $a_{n+1}>0$ by (ii), we have $a_{n+1}>a_niff a_{n+1}^2>a_n^2iff 2+a_n>a_n^2,$ and we do have $2+a_n>a_n^2$ when $2>a_n>0.$ So $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all $n$ by induction.
So $a_n$ is strictly increasing and is bounded above by $2$ so it has a limit $L$. And by the first paragraph, $L=2.$
BTW, in (iii), if $2>a_n>0$ then $2+a_n>a_n+a_n=(2)(a_n)>(a_n)(a_n)=a_n^2.$
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If
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+2}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+2
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-2)
=-(a_n-2)(a_n+1)
$.
Therefore,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-2 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$sqrt{a_n+2}
lt sqrt{4}
= 2$.
For $a_1 = 1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le 2$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+2$
so
$L = 2$
or
$L = -1$.
Since $L > 1$,
we must have
$L = 2$.
More generally,
if
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+k}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+k
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+k-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
$.
This factors if
$1+4k$
is a square,
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
(since $4k+1$ is odd).
The roots of
$x^2-x-k = 0$
are then
$dfrac{1pm (2d+1)}{2}
=dfrac{2d+2, -2d}{2}
=d+1, -d
$.
Therefore
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
=-(a_n-d-1)(a_n+d)
$.
If $0 < a_n le d+1$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-d-1 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < d+1$
since
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
so that
$k = d^2+d$,
then
$sqrt{a_n+k}
lt sqrt{d+1+d^2+d}
= sqrt{d^2+2d+1}
= d+1$.
For $0 < a_1 lt d+1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le d+1$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+k$
so
$L = d+1$
or
$L = -d$.
Since $L > 0$,
we must have
$L = d+1$.
For the original problem,
$k=2$ gives
$d=1$.
Hi tha k you. Why do you only consider an from 0 to 2?
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:13
Because if $a_n > 2$ then $2 < a_{n+1} < a_n$.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 5:20
So does that show an is increasing or are you assuming it
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:28
The increasing or decreasing of $a_n$ follows from $a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2 =a_n+2-a_n^2 =-(a_n^2-a_n-2) =-(a_n-2)(a_n+1) $.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 6:53
add a comment |
If
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+2}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+2
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-2)
=-(a_n-2)(a_n+1)
$.
Therefore,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-2 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$sqrt{a_n+2}
lt sqrt{4}
= 2$.
For $a_1 = 1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le 2$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+2$
so
$L = 2$
or
$L = -1$.
Since $L > 1$,
we must have
$L = 2$.
More generally,
if
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+k}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+k
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+k-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
$.
This factors if
$1+4k$
is a square,
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
(since $4k+1$ is odd).
The roots of
$x^2-x-k = 0$
are then
$dfrac{1pm (2d+1)}{2}
=dfrac{2d+2, -2d}{2}
=d+1, -d
$.
Therefore
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
=-(a_n-d-1)(a_n+d)
$.
If $0 < a_n le d+1$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-d-1 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < d+1$
since
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
so that
$k = d^2+d$,
then
$sqrt{a_n+k}
lt sqrt{d+1+d^2+d}
= sqrt{d^2+2d+1}
= d+1$.
For $0 < a_1 lt d+1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le d+1$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+k$
so
$L = d+1$
or
$L = -d$.
Since $L > 0$,
we must have
$L = d+1$.
For the original problem,
$k=2$ gives
$d=1$.
Hi tha k you. Why do you only consider an from 0 to 2?
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:13
Because if $a_n > 2$ then $2 < a_{n+1} < a_n$.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 5:20
So does that show an is increasing or are you assuming it
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:28
The increasing or decreasing of $a_n$ follows from $a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2 =a_n+2-a_n^2 =-(a_n^2-a_n-2) =-(a_n-2)(a_n+1) $.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 6:53
add a comment |
If
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+2}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+2
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-2)
=-(a_n-2)(a_n+1)
$.
Therefore,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-2 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$sqrt{a_n+2}
lt sqrt{4}
= 2$.
For $a_1 = 1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le 2$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+2$
so
$L = 2$
or
$L = -1$.
Since $L > 1$,
we must have
$L = 2$.
More generally,
if
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+k}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+k
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+k-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
$.
This factors if
$1+4k$
is a square,
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
(since $4k+1$ is odd).
The roots of
$x^2-x-k = 0$
are then
$dfrac{1pm (2d+1)}{2}
=dfrac{2d+2, -2d}{2}
=d+1, -d
$.
Therefore
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
=-(a_n-d-1)(a_n+d)
$.
If $0 < a_n le d+1$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-d-1 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < d+1$
since
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
so that
$k = d^2+d$,
then
$sqrt{a_n+k}
lt sqrt{d+1+d^2+d}
= sqrt{d^2+2d+1}
= d+1$.
For $0 < a_1 lt d+1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le d+1$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+k$
so
$L = d+1$
or
$L = -d$.
Since $L > 0$,
we must have
$L = d+1$.
For the original problem,
$k=2$ gives
$d=1$.
If
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+2}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+2
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-2)
=-(a_n-2)(a_n+1)
$.
Therefore,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-2 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < 2$
then
$sqrt{a_n+2}
lt sqrt{4}
= 2$.
For $a_1 = 1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le 2$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+2$
so
$L = 2$
or
$L = -1$.
Since $L > 1$,
we must have
$L = 2$.
More generally,
if
$a_{n+1}
=sqrt{a_n+k}
$
then
$a_{n+1}^2
=a_n+k
$
so
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=a_n+k-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
$.
This factors if
$1+4k$
is a square,
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
(since $4k+1$ is odd).
The roots of
$x^2-x-k = 0$
are then
$dfrac{1pm (2d+1)}{2}
=dfrac{2d+2, -2d}{2}
=d+1, -d
$.
Therefore
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
=-(a_n^2-a_n-k)
=-(a_n-d-1)(a_n+d)
$.
If $0 < a_n le d+1$
then
$a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2
gt 0$
since
$a_n-d-1 < 0$
and
$a_n+1 > 0$.
Also,
if $0 < a_n < d+1$
since
$(2d+1)^2 = 4k+1$
so that
$k = d^2+d$,
then
$sqrt{a_n+k}
lt sqrt{d+1+d^2+d}
= sqrt{d^2+2d+1}
= d+1$.
For $0 < a_1 lt d+1$
we have
$a_n$ increasing and bounded
so $a_n to L$
for some $1 < L le d+1$.
Therefore
$L^2 = L+k$
so
$L = d+1$
or
$L = -d$.
Since $L > 0$,
we must have
$L = d+1$.
For the original problem,
$k=2$ gives
$d=1$.
edited Nov 26 at 5:04
answered Nov 26 at 4:47
marty cohen
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Hi tha k you. Why do you only consider an from 0 to 2?
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:13
Because if $a_n > 2$ then $2 < a_{n+1} < a_n$.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 5:20
So does that show an is increasing or are you assuming it
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:28
The increasing or decreasing of $a_n$ follows from $a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2 =a_n+2-a_n^2 =-(a_n^2-a_n-2) =-(a_n-2)(a_n+1) $.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 6:53
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Hi tha k you. Why do you only consider an from 0 to 2?
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:13
Because if $a_n > 2$ then $2 < a_{n+1} < a_n$.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 5:20
So does that show an is increasing or are you assuming it
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:28
The increasing or decreasing of $a_n$ follows from $a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2 =a_n+2-a_n^2 =-(a_n^2-a_n-2) =-(a_n-2)(a_n+1) $.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 6:53
Hi tha k you. Why do you only consider an from 0 to 2?
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:13
Hi tha k you. Why do you only consider an from 0 to 2?
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:13
Because if $a_n > 2$ then $2 < a_{n+1} < a_n$.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 5:20
Because if $a_n > 2$ then $2 < a_{n+1} < a_n$.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 5:20
So does that show an is increasing or are you assuming it
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:28
So does that show an is increasing or are you assuming it
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 5:28
The increasing or decreasing of $a_n$ follows from $a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2 =a_n+2-a_n^2 =-(a_n^2-a_n-2) =-(a_n-2)(a_n+1) $.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 6:53
The increasing or decreasing of $a_n$ follows from $a_{n+1}^2-a_n^2 =a_n+2-a_n^2 =-(a_n^2-a_n-2) =-(a_n-2)(a_n+1) $.
– marty cohen
Nov 26 at 6:53
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First consider that $a_n$ may have a limit $L$. If $L$ exists then $L=lim_{nto infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nto infty}sqrt {2+a_n},=sqrt {2+L}. $
So if $a_n$ is strictly increasing with $a_1=1$ and if $L$ exists then $0<L=sqrt {2+L},$ so $L=2.$ So prove that $2>a_{n+1}>a_n >0$ for all $n$ by induction:
(i). We have $2>a_1>0.$
(ii). If $2>a_n>0$ then $4>2+a_n>0$ so $2>sqrt {2+a_n},=a_{n+1}>0$. So $2>a_n>0$ for all $n$ by induction.
(iii). Since $a_{n+1}>0$ by (ii), we have $a_{n+1}>a_niff a_{n+1}^2>a_n^2iff 2+a_n>a_n^2,$ and we do have $2+a_n>a_n^2$ when $2>a_n>0.$ So $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all $n$ by induction.
So $a_n$ is strictly increasing and is bounded above by $2$ so it has a limit $L$. And by the first paragraph, $L=2.$
BTW, in (iii), if $2>a_n>0$ then $2+a_n>a_n+a_n=(2)(a_n)>(a_n)(a_n)=a_n^2.$
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First consider that $a_n$ may have a limit $L$. If $L$ exists then $L=lim_{nto infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nto infty}sqrt {2+a_n},=sqrt {2+L}. $
So if $a_n$ is strictly increasing with $a_1=1$ and if $L$ exists then $0<L=sqrt {2+L},$ so $L=2.$ So prove that $2>a_{n+1}>a_n >0$ for all $n$ by induction:
(i). We have $2>a_1>0.$
(ii). If $2>a_n>0$ then $4>2+a_n>0$ so $2>sqrt {2+a_n},=a_{n+1}>0$. So $2>a_n>0$ for all $n$ by induction.
(iii). Since $a_{n+1}>0$ by (ii), we have $a_{n+1}>a_niff a_{n+1}^2>a_n^2iff 2+a_n>a_n^2,$ and we do have $2+a_n>a_n^2$ when $2>a_n>0.$ So $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all $n$ by induction.
So $a_n$ is strictly increasing and is bounded above by $2$ so it has a limit $L$. And by the first paragraph, $L=2.$
BTW, in (iii), if $2>a_n>0$ then $2+a_n>a_n+a_n=(2)(a_n)>(a_n)(a_n)=a_n^2.$
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First consider that $a_n$ may have a limit $L$. If $L$ exists then $L=lim_{nto infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nto infty}sqrt {2+a_n},=sqrt {2+L}. $
So if $a_n$ is strictly increasing with $a_1=1$ and if $L$ exists then $0<L=sqrt {2+L},$ so $L=2.$ So prove that $2>a_{n+1}>a_n >0$ for all $n$ by induction:
(i). We have $2>a_1>0.$
(ii). If $2>a_n>0$ then $4>2+a_n>0$ so $2>sqrt {2+a_n},=a_{n+1}>0$. So $2>a_n>0$ for all $n$ by induction.
(iii). Since $a_{n+1}>0$ by (ii), we have $a_{n+1}>a_niff a_{n+1}^2>a_n^2iff 2+a_n>a_n^2,$ and we do have $2+a_n>a_n^2$ when $2>a_n>0.$ So $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all $n$ by induction.
So $a_n$ is strictly increasing and is bounded above by $2$ so it has a limit $L$. And by the first paragraph, $L=2.$
BTW, in (iii), if $2>a_n>0$ then $2+a_n>a_n+a_n=(2)(a_n)>(a_n)(a_n)=a_n^2.$
First consider that $a_n$ may have a limit $L$. If $L$ exists then $L=lim_{nto infty}a_{n+1}=lim_{nto infty}sqrt {2+a_n},=sqrt {2+L}. $
So if $a_n$ is strictly increasing with $a_1=1$ and if $L$ exists then $0<L=sqrt {2+L},$ so $L=2.$ So prove that $2>a_{n+1}>a_n >0$ for all $n$ by induction:
(i). We have $2>a_1>0.$
(ii). If $2>a_n>0$ then $4>2+a_n>0$ so $2>sqrt {2+a_n},=a_{n+1}>0$. So $2>a_n>0$ for all $n$ by induction.
(iii). Since $a_{n+1}>0$ by (ii), we have $a_{n+1}>a_niff a_{n+1}^2>a_n^2iff 2+a_n>a_n^2,$ and we do have $2+a_n>a_n^2$ when $2>a_n>0.$ So $a_{n+1}>a_n$ for all $n$ by induction.
So $a_n$ is strictly increasing and is bounded above by $2$ so it has a limit $L$. And by the first paragraph, $L=2.$
BTW, in (iii), if $2>a_n>0$ then $2+a_n>a_n+a_n=(2)(a_n)>(a_n)(a_n)=a_n^2.$
answered Nov 26 at 6:38
DanielWainfleet
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Your argument is incorrectly structured. You prove it for $n = 1$, then, assuming it is true for $n$, show it is true for $n + 1$.
– ncmathsadist
Nov 26 at 1:43
Please try to make the titles of your questions more informative. For example, Why does $a<b$ imply $a+c<b+c$? is much more useful for other users than A question about inequality. From How can I ask a good question?: Make your title as descriptive as possible. In many cases one can actually phrase the title as the question, at least in such a way so as to be comprehensible to an expert reader. You can find more tips for choosing a good title here.
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:43
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Please edit the question accordingly :)
– Shaun
Nov 26 at 1:44
Ok, I don't understand is that not what I have done
– Johnf
Nov 26 at 1:47
Hi, could you edit your question to make it a little clearer by including some of the steps, thanks.
– Carlos Bacca
Nov 26 at 2:23