Prove: A set containing limit points of a sequence is a closed set












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Prove that a set, $S'$, containing the limit points of the sequence $S subset mathbb{R}$, is closed.



What I have so far:


I want to prove this by showing that the complement of $S'$ is open. In other words, $mathbb{R} backslash S' $ is open.



So take any limit point $x$ of $mathbb{R} backslash S' $. Clearly, $x$ is not a limit point of $S$.



I'm at a loss on how to proceed from here.










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    (1) Saying that a set $A$ contains the set $B$ means $Asupset B.$ ... (2). It is unclear whether you want to show that $P$ is closed or that $Pcup Q$ is closed, where $Q={s_n:nin N}$, and $P$ is the set of limit points of the sequence $S=(s_n)_{nin N}.$ (That is, $xin P$ iff ${n:s_nin (-r+x,r+x)}$ is infinite for every $r>0.$)
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  • The wording of this question is somehow unfortunate. Do you mean that $S^prime$ contains the limit points of one sequence $S$ or is $S^prime$ somehow quantified? Are you assuming that $S$ is a sequence in $S^prime$?
    – martin.koeberl
    Mar 28 '17 at 13:40












  • The way you have stated this is not true! Take S to be the sequence 1/n, S' to be the open interval (-1, 1). S' contains the limit point of S but is not closed. What you meant to say is that "if a set contains all limit points of every sequence in S'. then S' is closed".
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The question:



Prove that a set, $S'$, containing the limit points of the sequence $S subset mathbb{R}$, is closed.



What I have so far:


I want to prove this by showing that the complement of $S'$ is open. In other words, $mathbb{R} backslash S' $ is open.



So take any limit point $x$ of $mathbb{R} backslash S' $. Clearly, $x$ is not a limit point of $S$.



I'm at a loss on how to proceed from here.










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    (1) Saying that a set $A$ contains the set $B$ means $Asupset B.$ ... (2). It is unclear whether you want to show that $P$ is closed or that $Pcup Q$ is closed, where $Q={s_n:nin N}$, and $P$ is the set of limit points of the sequence $S=(s_n)_{nin N}.$ (That is, $xin P$ iff ${n:s_nin (-r+x,r+x)}$ is infinite for every $r>0.$)
    – DanielWainfleet
    Aug 7 '16 at 6:54












  • The wording of this question is somehow unfortunate. Do you mean that $S^prime$ contains the limit points of one sequence $S$ or is $S^prime$ somehow quantified? Are you assuming that $S$ is a sequence in $S^prime$?
    – martin.koeberl
    Mar 28 '17 at 13:40












  • The way you have stated this is not true! Take S to be the sequence 1/n, S' to be the open interval (-1, 1). S' contains the limit point of S but is not closed. What you meant to say is that "if a set contains all limit points of every sequence in S'. then S' is closed".
    – user247327
    Jan 2 '18 at 2:44














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The question:



Prove that a set, $S'$, containing the limit points of the sequence $S subset mathbb{R}$, is closed.



What I have so far:


I want to prove this by showing that the complement of $S'$ is open. In other words, $mathbb{R} backslash S' $ is open.



So take any limit point $x$ of $mathbb{R} backslash S' $. Clearly, $x$ is not a limit point of $S$.



I'm at a loss on how to proceed from here.










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The question:



Prove that a set, $S'$, containing the limit points of the sequence $S subset mathbb{R}$, is closed.



What I have so far:


I want to prove this by showing that the complement of $S'$ is open. In other words, $mathbb{R} backslash S' $ is open.



So take any limit point $x$ of $mathbb{R} backslash S' $. Clearly, $x$ is not a limit point of $S$.



I'm at a loss on how to proceed from here.







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    (1) Saying that a set $A$ contains the set $B$ means $Asupset B.$ ... (2). It is unclear whether you want to show that $P$ is closed or that $Pcup Q$ is closed, where $Q={s_n:nin N}$, and $P$ is the set of limit points of the sequence $S=(s_n)_{nin N}.$ (That is, $xin P$ iff ${n:s_nin (-r+x,r+x)}$ is infinite for every $r>0.$)
    – DanielWainfleet
    Aug 7 '16 at 6:54












  • The wording of this question is somehow unfortunate. Do you mean that $S^prime$ contains the limit points of one sequence $S$ or is $S^prime$ somehow quantified? Are you assuming that $S$ is a sequence in $S^prime$?
    – martin.koeberl
    Mar 28 '17 at 13:40












  • The way you have stated this is not true! Take S to be the sequence 1/n, S' to be the open interval (-1, 1). S' contains the limit point of S but is not closed. What you meant to say is that "if a set contains all limit points of every sequence in S'. then S' is closed".
    – user247327
    Jan 2 '18 at 2:44














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    (1) Saying that a set $A$ contains the set $B$ means $Asupset B.$ ... (2). It is unclear whether you want to show that $P$ is closed or that $Pcup Q$ is closed, where $Q={s_n:nin N}$, and $P$ is the set of limit points of the sequence $S=(s_n)_{nin N}.$ (That is, $xin P$ iff ${n:s_nin (-r+x,r+x)}$ is infinite for every $r>0.$)
    – DanielWainfleet
    Aug 7 '16 at 6:54












  • The wording of this question is somehow unfortunate. Do you mean that $S^prime$ contains the limit points of one sequence $S$ or is $S^prime$ somehow quantified? Are you assuming that $S$ is a sequence in $S^prime$?
    – martin.koeberl
    Mar 28 '17 at 13:40












  • The way you have stated this is not true! Take S to be the sequence 1/n, S' to be the open interval (-1, 1). S' contains the limit point of S but is not closed. What you meant to say is that "if a set contains all limit points of every sequence in S'. then S' is closed".
    – user247327
    Jan 2 '18 at 2:44








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(1) Saying that a set $A$ contains the set $B$ means $Asupset B.$ ... (2). It is unclear whether you want to show that $P$ is closed or that $Pcup Q$ is closed, where $Q={s_n:nin N}$, and $P$ is the set of limit points of the sequence $S=(s_n)_{nin N}.$ (That is, $xin P$ iff ${n:s_nin (-r+x,r+x)}$ is infinite for every $r>0.$)
– DanielWainfleet
Aug 7 '16 at 6:54






(1) Saying that a set $A$ contains the set $B$ means $Asupset B.$ ... (2). It is unclear whether you want to show that $P$ is closed or that $Pcup Q$ is closed, where $Q={s_n:nin N}$, and $P$ is the set of limit points of the sequence $S=(s_n)_{nin N}.$ (That is, $xin P$ iff ${n:s_nin (-r+x,r+x)}$ is infinite for every $r>0.$)
– DanielWainfleet
Aug 7 '16 at 6:54














The wording of this question is somehow unfortunate. Do you mean that $S^prime$ contains the limit points of one sequence $S$ or is $S^prime$ somehow quantified? Are you assuming that $S$ is a sequence in $S^prime$?
– martin.koeberl
Mar 28 '17 at 13:40






The wording of this question is somehow unfortunate. Do you mean that $S^prime$ contains the limit points of one sequence $S$ or is $S^prime$ somehow quantified? Are you assuming that $S$ is a sequence in $S^prime$?
– martin.koeberl
Mar 28 '17 at 13:40














The way you have stated this is not true! Take S to be the sequence 1/n, S' to be the open interval (-1, 1). S' contains the limit point of S but is not closed. What you meant to say is that "if a set contains all limit points of every sequence in S'. then S' is closed".
– user247327
Jan 2 '18 at 2:44




The way you have stated this is not true! Take S to be the sequence 1/n, S' to be the open interval (-1, 1). S' contains the limit point of S but is not closed. What you meant to say is that "if a set contains all limit points of every sequence in S'. then S' is closed".
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Since $x$ is not a limit point of $S$, there is an open neighborhood $U$ of $x$ such that $(Usetminus{x})cap S=emptyset$. Now prove $Ucap S'=emptyset$ and conclude $Usubset(Bbb Rsetminus S')$.






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  • Here one thing to note is that $x$ is not just a limit point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$, $x$ is any arbitrary point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$. We need to prove for all such points.
    – Sayan Bandyapadhyay
    May 12 '14 at 1:01












  • @SayanBandyapadhyay Yes, I should have started with: "Let $xin Bbb Rsetminus S'$. Since...".
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Another nice way to see this would be the following.
Suppose $xin bar{S'}$. then there exists a sequence of numbers in $S'$ which converges to $x$. Let that sequence be $(x_n)$. But again as $x_nin S'$, we have the following,



begin{align*}
x_{11}, &x_{12}, x_{13},cdots rightarrow x_1 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_1) \
x_{21}, &x_{22}, x_{23},cdots rightarrow x_2 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_2) \
x_{31}, &x_{32}, x_{33},cdots rightarrow x_3 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_3) \
vdots \
x_{n1}, &x_{n2}, x_{n3},cdots rightarrow x_n && (text{a sequence converging to} x_n)
end{align*}
Note that all the numbers $x_{ij}in S$. Now use a diagonal argument to get a sequence in $S$ converging to the limit, $x=lim_{nrightarrowinfty}x_n$. This shows that $xin S'$ by definition of $S'$.






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    If $X$ is any topological space and $S subset X$, then ${displaystyle {bar {S}}=Xbackslash [ (Xbackslash S)^{circ }]}$. Here, we have



    $tag 1 {displaystyle {bar {S}}=mathbb Rbackslash [ (mathbb Rbackslash S)^{circ }]}$



    Claim: The OP's $S'$ is equal to $bar {S}$.



    It is easy to see that $S' subset bar {S}$.



    Using constant sequences, we see that $S subset S'$. Now let $r in bar {S}backslash S$. By (1), for every $n ge 1$ the open interval

    $tag 2 (r-frac{1}{n},r+frac{1}{n})$

    intersects the set $S$, so we can select $s_n$ in both the interval (2) and $S$. The sequence $(s_n)$ is $S$ converges to $r$ so $r in S'$. Since both $S$ and its $bar {S}backslash S$ are contained in $S'$, $bar {S} subset S'$.



    Since $S' = bar {S}$, $S'$ is a closed set.






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      Since $x$ is not a limit point of $S$, there is an open neighborhood $U$ of $x$ such that $(Usetminus{x})cap S=emptyset$. Now prove $Ucap S'=emptyset$ and conclude $Usubset(Bbb Rsetminus S')$.






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      • Here one thing to note is that $x$ is not just a limit point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$, $x$ is any arbitrary point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$. We need to prove for all such points.
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      • @SayanBandyapadhyay Yes, I should have started with: "Let $xin Bbb Rsetminus S'$. Since...".
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      Since $x$ is not a limit point of $S$, there is an open neighborhood $U$ of $x$ such that $(Usetminus{x})cap S=emptyset$. Now prove $Ucap S'=emptyset$ and conclude $Usubset(Bbb Rsetminus S')$.






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      • Here one thing to note is that $x$ is not just a limit point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$, $x$ is any arbitrary point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$. We need to prove for all such points.
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      Since $x$ is not a limit point of $S$, there is an open neighborhood $U$ of $x$ such that $(Usetminus{x})cap S=emptyset$. Now prove $Ucap S'=emptyset$ and conclude $Usubset(Bbb Rsetminus S')$.






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      Since $x$ is not a limit point of $S$, there is an open neighborhood $U$ of $x$ such that $(Usetminus{x})cap S=emptyset$. Now prove $Ucap S'=emptyset$ and conclude $Usubset(Bbb Rsetminus S')$.







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      • Here one thing to note is that $x$ is not just a limit point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$, $x$ is any arbitrary point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$. We need to prove for all such points.
        – Sayan Bandyapadhyay
        May 12 '14 at 1:01












      • @SayanBandyapadhyay Yes, I should have started with: "Let $xin Bbb Rsetminus S'$. Since...".
        – Zircht
        May 12 '14 at 1:05


















      • Here one thing to note is that $x$ is not just a limit point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$, $x$ is any arbitrary point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$. We need to prove for all such points.
        – Sayan Bandyapadhyay
        May 12 '14 at 1:01












      • @SayanBandyapadhyay Yes, I should have started with: "Let $xin Bbb Rsetminus S'$. Since...".
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      Here one thing to note is that $x$ is not just a limit point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$, $x$ is any arbitrary point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$. We need to prove for all such points.
      – Sayan Bandyapadhyay
      May 12 '14 at 1:01






      Here one thing to note is that $x$ is not just a limit point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$, $x$ is any arbitrary point of $mathbb{R}setminus S'$. We need to prove for all such points.
      – Sayan Bandyapadhyay
      May 12 '14 at 1:01














      @SayanBandyapadhyay Yes, I should have started with: "Let $xin Bbb Rsetminus S'$. Since...".
      – Zircht
      May 12 '14 at 1:05




      @SayanBandyapadhyay Yes, I should have started with: "Let $xin Bbb Rsetminus S'$. Since...".
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      Another nice way to see this would be the following.
      Suppose $xin bar{S'}$. then there exists a sequence of numbers in $S'$ which converges to $x$. Let that sequence be $(x_n)$. But again as $x_nin S'$, we have the following,



      begin{align*}
      x_{11}, &x_{12}, x_{13},cdots rightarrow x_1 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_1) \
      x_{21}, &x_{22}, x_{23},cdots rightarrow x_2 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_2) \
      x_{31}, &x_{32}, x_{33},cdots rightarrow x_3 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_3) \
      vdots \
      x_{n1}, &x_{n2}, x_{n3},cdots rightarrow x_n && (text{a sequence converging to} x_n)
      end{align*}
      Note that all the numbers $x_{ij}in S$. Now use a diagonal argument to get a sequence in $S$ converging to the limit, $x=lim_{nrightarrowinfty}x_n$. This shows that $xin S'$ by definition of $S'$.






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        Another nice way to see this would be the following.
        Suppose $xin bar{S'}$. then there exists a sequence of numbers in $S'$ which converges to $x$. Let that sequence be $(x_n)$. But again as $x_nin S'$, we have the following,



        begin{align*}
        x_{11}, &x_{12}, x_{13},cdots rightarrow x_1 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_1) \
        x_{21}, &x_{22}, x_{23},cdots rightarrow x_2 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_2) \
        x_{31}, &x_{32}, x_{33},cdots rightarrow x_3 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_3) \
        vdots \
        x_{n1}, &x_{n2}, x_{n3},cdots rightarrow x_n && (text{a sequence converging to} x_n)
        end{align*}
        Note that all the numbers $x_{ij}in S$. Now use a diagonal argument to get a sequence in $S$ converging to the limit, $x=lim_{nrightarrowinfty}x_n$. This shows that $xin S'$ by definition of $S'$.






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          Another nice way to see this would be the following.
          Suppose $xin bar{S'}$. then there exists a sequence of numbers in $S'$ which converges to $x$. Let that sequence be $(x_n)$. But again as $x_nin S'$, we have the following,



          begin{align*}
          x_{11}, &x_{12}, x_{13},cdots rightarrow x_1 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_1) \
          x_{21}, &x_{22}, x_{23},cdots rightarrow x_2 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_2) \
          x_{31}, &x_{32}, x_{33},cdots rightarrow x_3 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_3) \
          vdots \
          x_{n1}, &x_{n2}, x_{n3},cdots rightarrow x_n && (text{a sequence converging to} x_n)
          end{align*}
          Note that all the numbers $x_{ij}in S$. Now use a diagonal argument to get a sequence in $S$ converging to the limit, $x=lim_{nrightarrowinfty}x_n$. This shows that $xin S'$ by definition of $S'$.






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          Another nice way to see this would be the following.
          Suppose $xin bar{S'}$. then there exists a sequence of numbers in $S'$ which converges to $x$. Let that sequence be $(x_n)$. But again as $x_nin S'$, we have the following,



          begin{align*}
          x_{11}, &x_{12}, x_{13},cdots rightarrow x_1 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_1) \
          x_{21}, &x_{22}, x_{23},cdots rightarrow x_2 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_2) \
          x_{31}, &x_{32}, x_{33},cdots rightarrow x_3 && (text{a sequence converging to} x_3) \
          vdots \
          x_{n1}, &x_{n2}, x_{n3},cdots rightarrow x_n && (text{a sequence converging to} x_n)
          end{align*}
          Note that all the numbers $x_{ij}in S$. Now use a diagonal argument to get a sequence in $S$ converging to the limit, $x=lim_{nrightarrowinfty}x_n$. This shows that $xin S'$ by definition of $S'$.







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              If $X$ is any topological space and $S subset X$, then ${displaystyle {bar {S}}=Xbackslash [ (Xbackslash S)^{circ }]}$. Here, we have



              $tag 1 {displaystyle {bar {S}}=mathbb Rbackslash [ (mathbb Rbackslash S)^{circ }]}$



              Claim: The OP's $S'$ is equal to $bar {S}$.



              It is easy to see that $S' subset bar {S}$.



              Using constant sequences, we see that $S subset S'$. Now let $r in bar {S}backslash S$. By (1), for every $n ge 1$ the open interval

              $tag 2 (r-frac{1}{n},r+frac{1}{n})$

              intersects the set $S$, so we can select $s_n$ in both the interval (2) and $S$. The sequence $(s_n)$ is $S$ converges to $r$ so $r in S'$. Since both $S$ and its $bar {S}backslash S$ are contained in $S'$, $bar {S} subset S'$.



              Since $S' = bar {S}$, $S'$ is a closed set.






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                If $X$ is any topological space and $S subset X$, then ${displaystyle {bar {S}}=Xbackslash [ (Xbackslash S)^{circ }]}$. Here, we have



                $tag 1 {displaystyle {bar {S}}=mathbb Rbackslash [ (mathbb Rbackslash S)^{circ }]}$



                Claim: The OP's $S'$ is equal to $bar {S}$.



                It is easy to see that $S' subset bar {S}$.



                Using constant sequences, we see that $S subset S'$. Now let $r in bar {S}backslash S$. By (1), for every $n ge 1$ the open interval

                $tag 2 (r-frac{1}{n},r+frac{1}{n})$

                intersects the set $S$, so we can select $s_n$ in both the interval (2) and $S$. The sequence $(s_n)$ is $S$ converges to $r$ so $r in S'$. Since both $S$ and its $bar {S}backslash S$ are contained in $S'$, $bar {S} subset S'$.



                Since $S' = bar {S}$, $S'$ is a closed set.






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                  If $X$ is any topological space and $S subset X$, then ${displaystyle {bar {S}}=Xbackslash [ (Xbackslash S)^{circ }]}$. Here, we have



                  $tag 1 {displaystyle {bar {S}}=mathbb Rbackslash [ (mathbb Rbackslash S)^{circ }]}$



                  Claim: The OP's $S'$ is equal to $bar {S}$.



                  It is easy to see that $S' subset bar {S}$.



                  Using constant sequences, we see that $S subset S'$. Now let $r in bar {S}backslash S$. By (1), for every $n ge 1$ the open interval

                  $tag 2 (r-frac{1}{n},r+frac{1}{n})$

                  intersects the set $S$, so we can select $s_n$ in both the interval (2) and $S$. The sequence $(s_n)$ is $S$ converges to $r$ so $r in S'$. Since both $S$ and its $bar {S}backslash S$ are contained in $S'$, $bar {S} subset S'$.



                  Since $S' = bar {S}$, $S'$ is a closed set.






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                  If $X$ is any topological space and $S subset X$, then ${displaystyle {bar {S}}=Xbackslash [ (Xbackslash S)^{circ }]}$. Here, we have



                  $tag 1 {displaystyle {bar {S}}=mathbb Rbackslash [ (mathbb Rbackslash S)^{circ }]}$



                  Claim: The OP's $S'$ is equal to $bar {S}$.



                  It is easy to see that $S' subset bar {S}$.



                  Using constant sequences, we see that $S subset S'$. Now let $r in bar {S}backslash S$. By (1), for every $n ge 1$ the open interval

                  $tag 2 (r-frac{1}{n},r+frac{1}{n})$

                  intersects the set $S$, so we can select $s_n$ in both the interval (2) and $S$. The sequence $(s_n)$ is $S$ converges to $r$ so $r in S'$. Since both $S$ and its $bar {S}backslash S$ are contained in $S'$, $bar {S} subset S'$.



                  Since $S' = bar {S}$, $S'$ is a closed set.







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