If $A+B=AB$ then $AB=BA$
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I was doing the problem $$ A+B=ABimplies AB=BA. $$
$AB=BA$ means they're invertible, but I can't figure out how to show that $A+B=AB$ implies invertibility.
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I was doing the problem $$ A+B=ABimplies AB=BA. $$
$AB=BA$ means they're invertible, but I can't figure out how to show that $A+B=AB$ implies invertibility.
linear-algebra matrices
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Note that $AB=BA$ is not the same, nor does it imply, that $A,B$ are invertible.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:23
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The correct name of "$AB=BA$" is "$A$ and $B$ commute". Invertibility is a different property (namely, a matrix $A$ is invertible if $A^{-1}$ exists).
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– user228113
Apr 19 '17 at 23:26
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@Coffeemath Why not same
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– Sachchidanand Prasad
Apr 19 '17 at 23:29
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If A and B are equal, where each has rows [0,1],[0,0] then these aren't invertible, even though AB=BA.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:37
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Just to say, suppose $A$ and $B$ are both the zero matrix. Then of course $A+B=AB=BA$ but neither $A$ nor $B$ is invertible.
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– lulu
Apr 19 '17 at 23:38
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I was doing the problem $$ A+B=ABimplies AB=BA. $$
$AB=BA$ means they're invertible, but I can't figure out how to show that $A+B=AB$ implies invertibility.
linear-algebra matrices
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I was doing the problem $$ A+B=ABimplies AB=BA. $$
$AB=BA$ means they're invertible, but I can't figure out how to show that $A+B=AB$ implies invertibility.
linear-algebra matrices
linear-algebra matrices
edited Dec 26 '18 at 11:24
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asked Apr 19 '17 at 23:20
Sachchidanand PrasadSachchidanand Prasad
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Note that $AB=BA$ is not the same, nor does it imply, that $A,B$ are invertible.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:23
5
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The correct name of "$AB=BA$" is "$A$ and $B$ commute". Invertibility is a different property (namely, a matrix $A$ is invertible if $A^{-1}$ exists).
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– user228113
Apr 19 '17 at 23:26
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@Coffeemath Why not same
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– Sachchidanand Prasad
Apr 19 '17 at 23:29
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If A and B are equal, where each has rows [0,1],[0,0] then these aren't invertible, even though AB=BA.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:37
3
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Just to say, suppose $A$ and $B$ are both the zero matrix. Then of course $A+B=AB=BA$ but neither $A$ nor $B$ is invertible.
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– lulu
Apr 19 '17 at 23:38
add a comment |
1
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Note that $AB=BA$ is not the same, nor does it imply, that $A,B$ are invertible.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:23
5
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The correct name of "$AB=BA$" is "$A$ and $B$ commute". Invertibility is a different property (namely, a matrix $A$ is invertible if $A^{-1}$ exists).
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– user228113
Apr 19 '17 at 23:26
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@Coffeemath Why not same
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– Sachchidanand Prasad
Apr 19 '17 at 23:29
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If A and B are equal, where each has rows [0,1],[0,0] then these aren't invertible, even though AB=BA.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:37
3
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Just to say, suppose $A$ and $B$ are both the zero matrix. Then of course $A+B=AB=BA$ but neither $A$ nor $B$ is invertible.
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– lulu
Apr 19 '17 at 23:38
1
1
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Note that $AB=BA$ is not the same, nor does it imply, that $A,B$ are invertible.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:23
$begingroup$
Note that $AB=BA$ is not the same, nor does it imply, that $A,B$ are invertible.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:23
5
5
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The correct name of "$AB=BA$" is "$A$ and $B$ commute". Invertibility is a different property (namely, a matrix $A$ is invertible if $A^{-1}$ exists).
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– user228113
Apr 19 '17 at 23:26
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The correct name of "$AB=BA$" is "$A$ and $B$ commute". Invertibility is a different property (namely, a matrix $A$ is invertible if $A^{-1}$ exists).
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– user228113
Apr 19 '17 at 23:26
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@Coffeemath Why not same
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– Sachchidanand Prasad
Apr 19 '17 at 23:29
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@Coffeemath Why not same
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– Sachchidanand Prasad
Apr 19 '17 at 23:29
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If A and B are equal, where each has rows [0,1],[0,0] then these aren't invertible, even though AB=BA.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:37
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If A and B are equal, where each has rows [0,1],[0,0] then these aren't invertible, even though AB=BA.
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– coffeemath
Apr 19 '17 at 23:37
3
3
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Just to say, suppose $A$ and $B$ are both the zero matrix. Then of course $A+B=AB=BA$ but neither $A$ nor $B$ is invertible.
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– lulu
Apr 19 '17 at 23:38
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Just to say, suppose $A$ and $B$ are both the zero matrix. Then of course $A+B=AB=BA$ but neither $A$ nor $B$ is invertible.
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– lulu
Apr 19 '17 at 23:38
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Consider the expression $$(A-mathbb 1)(B-mathbb 1)=AB-A-B+mathbb 1=mathbb 1$$
Thus $(A-mathbb 1)$ and $(B-mathbb 1)$ are inverse to each other, whence $$mathbb 1= (B-mathbb 1)(A-mathbb 1)=BA - A - B + mathbb 1$$
It follows that $$BA=A+B=AB$$ and we are done.
Note: here $mathbb 1$ denotes the appropriate identity matrix.
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if $ a * b =e$ then $b*a=e$ iff $a$ and $b$ are elements of a group and $e$ is the identity element of that group . Are $X=(A-1)$ and $Y=(B-1)$elements of any group with identity $1$ ?
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– освящение
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If yes, then please explain!
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:39
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Yes, $X,Y$ are invertible matrices and these form a group.
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– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 10:47
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but how ? can you prove that $X$ and $Y$ are invertible with the condition $A+B=AB$
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 15:10
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@Abhishek I proved they were invertible by exhibiting inverses. Specifically, I showed that $XY=mathbb 1$. If nothing else, that equation shows that $det X times det Y =1neq 0$ so both $X,Y$ have to be invertible,
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Note: $I$ is Identity Matrix
Start with the equation given by the problem:
$$A+B=AB$$
left multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$B(A+B)=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=(BA)B$$
$$BB=(BA)B - BA$$
$$BB=(BA)(B - I);;(1)$$
then right multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$(A+B)B=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=(AB)B$$
$$BB=(AB)B - AB$$
$$BB=(AB)(B - I);;(2)$$
and we subtract equation(1) from equation(2) that gives:
$$0 = (AB - BA)(B - I)$$
if $B = I$,the equation $A+B=AB$ is broken. So, we can know $(AB - BA) = 0$ that means $$AB = BA$$
The purpose of this problem is to find the BA combination, we can get it by left multiplying.
Sorry,
if $B - I$ is a singular matrix, then $AB - BA$ may not be $0$.
So, I will try to find $M(B - I) = I$,
as above, start with equation:
$$A+B=AB$$
replace $B$ with $(B - I) + I$ in left side
$$A+(B - I) + I =AB$$
$$I =AB - A - (B - I)$$
$$I =A(B - I) - (B - I)$$
$$I =(A - I)(B - I)$$
the inverse matrix of $(B - I)$ is $(A - I)$, so $(B - I)$ is invertible.
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$XY=0$ doesn't mean either $X$ or $Y$ is zero when $X$ and $Y$ are matrices. A counter example: $X=begin{bmatrix}1&0\0&0end{bmatrix}$ and $Y=begin{bmatrix}0&0\0&1end{bmatrix}$
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– obareey
Dec 26 '18 at 12:53
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@obareey thanks, I have re-edited
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Dec 26 '18 at 15:59
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Consider the expression $$(A-mathbb 1)(B-mathbb 1)=AB-A-B+mathbb 1=mathbb 1$$
Thus $(A-mathbb 1)$ and $(B-mathbb 1)$ are inverse to each other, whence $$mathbb 1= (B-mathbb 1)(A-mathbb 1)=BA - A - B + mathbb 1$$
It follows that $$BA=A+B=AB$$ and we are done.
Note: here $mathbb 1$ denotes the appropriate identity matrix.
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if $ a * b =e$ then $b*a=e$ iff $a$ and $b$ are elements of a group and $e$ is the identity element of that group . Are $X=(A-1)$ and $Y=(B-1)$elements of any group with identity $1$ ?
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:37
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If yes, then please explain!
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:39
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Yes, $X,Y$ are invertible matrices and these form a group.
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– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 10:47
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but how ? can you prove that $X$ and $Y$ are invertible with the condition $A+B=AB$
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 15:10
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@Abhishek I proved they were invertible by exhibiting inverses. Specifically, I showed that $XY=mathbb 1$. If nothing else, that equation shows that $det X times det Y =1neq 0$ so both $X,Y$ have to be invertible,
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– lulu
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Consider the expression $$(A-mathbb 1)(B-mathbb 1)=AB-A-B+mathbb 1=mathbb 1$$
Thus $(A-mathbb 1)$ and $(B-mathbb 1)$ are inverse to each other, whence $$mathbb 1= (B-mathbb 1)(A-mathbb 1)=BA - A - B + mathbb 1$$
It follows that $$BA=A+B=AB$$ and we are done.
Note: here $mathbb 1$ denotes the appropriate identity matrix.
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$begingroup$
if $ a * b =e$ then $b*a=e$ iff $a$ and $b$ are elements of a group and $e$ is the identity element of that group . Are $X=(A-1)$ and $Y=(B-1)$elements of any group with identity $1$ ?
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:37
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If yes, then please explain!
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:39
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Yes, $X,Y$ are invertible matrices and these form a group.
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– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 10:47
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but how ? can you prove that $X$ and $Y$ are invertible with the condition $A+B=AB$
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 15:10
1
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@Abhishek I proved they were invertible by exhibiting inverses. Specifically, I showed that $XY=mathbb 1$. If nothing else, that equation shows that $det X times det Y =1neq 0$ so both $X,Y$ have to be invertible,
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Consider the expression $$(A-mathbb 1)(B-mathbb 1)=AB-A-B+mathbb 1=mathbb 1$$
Thus $(A-mathbb 1)$ and $(B-mathbb 1)$ are inverse to each other, whence $$mathbb 1= (B-mathbb 1)(A-mathbb 1)=BA - A - B + mathbb 1$$
It follows that $$BA=A+B=AB$$ and we are done.
Note: here $mathbb 1$ denotes the appropriate identity matrix.
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Consider the expression $$(A-mathbb 1)(B-mathbb 1)=AB-A-B+mathbb 1=mathbb 1$$
Thus $(A-mathbb 1)$ and $(B-mathbb 1)$ are inverse to each other, whence $$mathbb 1= (B-mathbb 1)(A-mathbb 1)=BA - A - B + mathbb 1$$
It follows that $$BA=A+B=AB$$ and we are done.
Note: here $mathbb 1$ denotes the appropriate identity matrix.
answered Apr 19 '17 at 23:35
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if $ a * b =e$ then $b*a=e$ iff $a$ and $b$ are elements of a group and $e$ is the identity element of that group . Are $X=(A-1)$ and $Y=(B-1)$elements of any group with identity $1$ ?
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:37
$begingroup$
If yes, then please explain!
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:39
1
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Yes, $X,Y$ are invertible matrices and these form a group.
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– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 10:47
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but how ? can you prove that $X$ and $Y$ are invertible with the condition $A+B=AB$
$endgroup$
– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 15:10
1
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@Abhishek I proved they were invertible by exhibiting inverses. Specifically, I showed that $XY=mathbb 1$. If nothing else, that equation shows that $det X times det Y =1neq 0$ so both $X,Y$ have to be invertible,
$endgroup$
– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 15:14
add a comment |
$begingroup$
if $ a * b =e$ then $b*a=e$ iff $a$ and $b$ are elements of a group and $e$ is the identity element of that group . Are $X=(A-1)$ and $Y=(B-1)$elements of any group with identity $1$ ?
$endgroup$
– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:37
$begingroup$
If yes, then please explain!
$endgroup$
– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:39
1
$begingroup$
Yes, $X,Y$ are invertible matrices and these form a group.
$endgroup$
– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 10:47
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but how ? can you prove that $X$ and $Y$ are invertible with the condition $A+B=AB$
$endgroup$
– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 15:10
1
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@Abhishek I proved they were invertible by exhibiting inverses. Specifically, I showed that $XY=mathbb 1$. If nothing else, that equation shows that $det X times det Y =1neq 0$ so both $X,Y$ have to be invertible,
$endgroup$
– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 15:14
$begingroup$
if $ a * b =e$ then $b*a=e$ iff $a$ and $b$ are elements of a group and $e$ is the identity element of that group . Are $X=(A-1)$ and $Y=(B-1)$elements of any group with identity $1$ ?
$endgroup$
– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:37
$begingroup$
if $ a * b =e$ then $b*a=e$ iff $a$ and $b$ are elements of a group and $e$ is the identity element of that group . Are $X=(A-1)$ and $Y=(B-1)$elements of any group with identity $1$ ?
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:37
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If yes, then please explain!
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:39
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If yes, then please explain!
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 4:39
1
1
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Yes, $X,Y$ are invertible matrices and these form a group.
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– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 10:47
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Yes, $X,Y$ are invertible matrices and these form a group.
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– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 10:47
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but how ? can you prove that $X$ and $Y$ are invertible with the condition $A+B=AB$
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 15:10
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but how ? can you prove that $X$ and $Y$ are invertible with the condition $A+B=AB$
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– освящение
Jan 19 '18 at 15:10
1
1
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@Abhishek I proved they were invertible by exhibiting inverses. Specifically, I showed that $XY=mathbb 1$. If nothing else, that equation shows that $det X times det Y =1neq 0$ so both $X,Y$ have to be invertible,
$endgroup$
– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 15:14
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@Abhishek I proved they were invertible by exhibiting inverses. Specifically, I showed that $XY=mathbb 1$. If nothing else, that equation shows that $det X times det Y =1neq 0$ so both $X,Y$ have to be invertible,
$endgroup$
– lulu
Jan 19 '18 at 15:14
add a comment |
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Note: $I$ is Identity Matrix
Start with the equation given by the problem:
$$A+B=AB$$
left multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$B(A+B)=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=(BA)B$$
$$BB=(BA)B - BA$$
$$BB=(BA)(B - I);;(1)$$
then right multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$(A+B)B=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=(AB)B$$
$$BB=(AB)B - AB$$
$$BB=(AB)(B - I);;(2)$$
and we subtract equation(1) from equation(2) that gives:
$$0 = (AB - BA)(B - I)$$
if $B = I$,the equation $A+B=AB$ is broken. So, we can know $(AB - BA) = 0$ that means $$AB = BA$$
The purpose of this problem is to find the BA combination, we can get it by left multiplying.
Sorry,
if $B - I$ is a singular matrix, then $AB - BA$ may not be $0$.
So, I will try to find $M(B - I) = I$,
as above, start with equation:
$$A+B=AB$$
replace $B$ with $(B - I) + I$ in left side
$$A+(B - I) + I =AB$$
$$I =AB - A - (B - I)$$
$$I =A(B - I) - (B - I)$$
$$I =(A - I)(B - I)$$
the inverse matrix of $(B - I)$ is $(A - I)$, so $(B - I)$ is invertible.
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$XY=0$ doesn't mean either $X$ or $Y$ is zero when $X$ and $Y$ are matrices. A counter example: $X=begin{bmatrix}1&0\0&0end{bmatrix}$ and $Y=begin{bmatrix}0&0\0&1end{bmatrix}$
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– obareey
Dec 26 '18 at 12:53
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@obareey thanks, I have re-edited
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– Revc_Ra
Dec 26 '18 at 15:59
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Note: $I$ is Identity Matrix
Start with the equation given by the problem:
$$A+B=AB$$
left multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$B(A+B)=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=(BA)B$$
$$BB=(BA)B - BA$$
$$BB=(BA)(B - I);;(1)$$
then right multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$(A+B)B=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=(AB)B$$
$$BB=(AB)B - AB$$
$$BB=(AB)(B - I);;(2)$$
and we subtract equation(1) from equation(2) that gives:
$$0 = (AB - BA)(B - I)$$
if $B = I$,the equation $A+B=AB$ is broken. So, we can know $(AB - BA) = 0$ that means $$AB = BA$$
The purpose of this problem is to find the BA combination, we can get it by left multiplying.
Sorry,
if $B - I$ is a singular matrix, then $AB - BA$ may not be $0$.
So, I will try to find $M(B - I) = I$,
as above, start with equation:
$$A+B=AB$$
replace $B$ with $(B - I) + I$ in left side
$$A+(B - I) + I =AB$$
$$I =AB - A - (B - I)$$
$$I =A(B - I) - (B - I)$$
$$I =(A - I)(B - I)$$
the inverse matrix of $(B - I)$ is $(A - I)$, so $(B - I)$ is invertible.
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$XY=0$ doesn't mean either $X$ or $Y$ is zero when $X$ and $Y$ are matrices. A counter example: $X=begin{bmatrix}1&0\0&0end{bmatrix}$ and $Y=begin{bmatrix}0&0\0&1end{bmatrix}$
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– obareey
Dec 26 '18 at 12:53
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@obareey thanks, I have re-edited
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– Revc_Ra
Dec 26 '18 at 15:59
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Note: $I$ is Identity Matrix
Start with the equation given by the problem:
$$A+B=AB$$
left multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$B(A+B)=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=(BA)B$$
$$BB=(BA)B - BA$$
$$BB=(BA)(B - I);;(1)$$
then right multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$(A+B)B=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=(AB)B$$
$$BB=(AB)B - AB$$
$$BB=(AB)(B - I);;(2)$$
and we subtract equation(1) from equation(2) that gives:
$$0 = (AB - BA)(B - I)$$
if $B = I$,the equation $A+B=AB$ is broken. So, we can know $(AB - BA) = 0$ that means $$AB = BA$$
The purpose of this problem is to find the BA combination, we can get it by left multiplying.
Sorry,
if $B - I$ is a singular matrix, then $AB - BA$ may not be $0$.
So, I will try to find $M(B - I) = I$,
as above, start with equation:
$$A+B=AB$$
replace $B$ with $(B - I) + I$ in left side
$$A+(B - I) + I =AB$$
$$I =AB - A - (B - I)$$
$$I =A(B - I) - (B - I)$$
$$I =(A - I)(B - I)$$
the inverse matrix of $(B - I)$ is $(A - I)$, so $(B - I)$ is invertible.
$endgroup$
Note: $I$ is Identity Matrix
Start with the equation given by the problem:
$$A+B=AB$$
left multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$B(A+B)=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=BAB$$
$$BA+BB=(BA)B$$
$$BB=(BA)B - BA$$
$$BB=(BA)(B - I);;(1)$$
then right multiply both sides of this equation by B that produces:
$$(A+B)B=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=ABB$$
$$AB+BB=(AB)B$$
$$BB=(AB)B - AB$$
$$BB=(AB)(B - I);;(2)$$
and we subtract equation(1) from equation(2) that gives:
$$0 = (AB - BA)(B - I)$$
if $B = I$,the equation $A+B=AB$ is broken. So, we can know $(AB - BA) = 0$ that means $$AB = BA$$
The purpose of this problem is to find the BA combination, we can get it by left multiplying.
Sorry,
if $B - I$ is a singular matrix, then $AB - BA$ may not be $0$.
So, I will try to find $M(B - I) = I$,
as above, start with equation:
$$A+B=AB$$
replace $B$ with $(B - I) + I$ in left side
$$A+(B - I) + I =AB$$
$$I =AB - A - (B - I)$$
$$I =A(B - I) - (B - I)$$
$$I =(A - I)(B - I)$$
the inverse matrix of $(B - I)$ is $(A - I)$, so $(B - I)$ is invertible.
edited Dec 26 '18 at 15:28
answered Dec 26 '18 at 11:20
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$XY=0$ doesn't mean either $X$ or $Y$ is zero when $X$ and $Y$ are matrices. A counter example: $X=begin{bmatrix}1&0\0&0end{bmatrix}$ and $Y=begin{bmatrix}0&0\0&1end{bmatrix}$
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– obareey
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@obareey thanks, I have re-edited
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$XY=0$ doesn't mean either $X$ or $Y$ is zero when $X$ and $Y$ are matrices. A counter example: $X=begin{bmatrix}1&0\0&0end{bmatrix}$ and $Y=begin{bmatrix}0&0\0&1end{bmatrix}$
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– obareey
Dec 26 '18 at 12:53
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@obareey thanks, I have re-edited
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– Revc_Ra
Dec 26 '18 at 15:59
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$XY=0$ doesn't mean either $X$ or $Y$ is zero when $X$ and $Y$ are matrices. A counter example: $X=begin{bmatrix}1&0\0&0end{bmatrix}$ and $Y=begin{bmatrix}0&0\0&1end{bmatrix}$
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– obareey
Dec 26 '18 at 12:53
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$XY=0$ doesn't mean either $X$ or $Y$ is zero when $X$ and $Y$ are matrices. A counter example: $X=begin{bmatrix}1&0\0&0end{bmatrix}$ and $Y=begin{bmatrix}0&0\0&1end{bmatrix}$
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– obareey
Dec 26 '18 at 12:53
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@obareey thanks, I have re-edited
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– Revc_Ra
Dec 26 '18 at 15:59
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@obareey thanks, I have re-edited
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– Revc_Ra
Dec 26 '18 at 15:59
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Note that $AB=BA$ is not the same, nor does it imply, that $A,B$ are invertible.
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The correct name of "$AB=BA$" is "$A$ and $B$ commute". Invertibility is a different property (namely, a matrix $A$ is invertible if $A^{-1}$ exists).
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@Coffeemath Why not same
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If A and B are equal, where each has rows [0,1],[0,0] then these aren't invertible, even though AB=BA.
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Just to say, suppose $A$ and $B$ are both the zero matrix. Then of course $A+B=AB=BA$ but neither $A$ nor $B$ is invertible.
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