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If $X$ is a real-valued random variable, then the $k$th raw moment is $mathbb{E}[X^k]$, while the $k$th central moment is $mathbb{E}[(X-mathbb{E}[X])^k]$. If $k$ is even, is the $k$th central moment always bounded above the $k$th raw moment?



When $k = 2$, then $mathbb{E}[(X-mathbb{E}[X])^2] = mathbb{E}[X^2]-mathbb{E}[X]^2$, and because $mathbb{E}[X]^2$ is always positive, it follows that this is less than or equal to $mathbb{E}[X^2]$. But I'm having trouble extending this to larger moments.










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    If $X$ is a real-valued random variable, then the $k$th raw moment is $mathbb{E}[X^k]$, while the $k$th central moment is $mathbb{E}[(X-mathbb{E}[X])^k]$. If $k$ is even, is the $k$th central moment always bounded above the $k$th raw moment?



    When $k = 2$, then $mathbb{E}[(X-mathbb{E}[X])^2] = mathbb{E}[X^2]-mathbb{E}[X]^2$, and because $mathbb{E}[X]^2$ is always positive, it follows that this is less than or equal to $mathbb{E}[X^2]$. But I'm having trouble extending this to larger moments.










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      If $X$ is a real-valued random variable, then the $k$th raw moment is $mathbb{E}[X^k]$, while the $k$th central moment is $mathbb{E}[(X-mathbb{E}[X])^k]$. If $k$ is even, is the $k$th central moment always bounded above the $k$th raw moment?



      When $k = 2$, then $mathbb{E}[(X-mathbb{E}[X])^2] = mathbb{E}[X^2]-mathbb{E}[X]^2$, and because $mathbb{E}[X]^2$ is always positive, it follows that this is less than or equal to $mathbb{E}[X^2]$. But I'm having trouble extending this to larger moments.










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      If $X$ is a real-valued random variable, then the $k$th raw moment is $mathbb{E}[X^k]$, while the $k$th central moment is $mathbb{E}[(X-mathbb{E}[X])^k]$. If $k$ is even, is the $k$th central moment always bounded above the $k$th raw moment?



      When $k = 2$, then $mathbb{E}[(X-mathbb{E}[X])^2] = mathbb{E}[X^2]-mathbb{E}[X]^2$, and because $mathbb{E}[X]^2$ is always positive, it follows that this is less than or equal to $mathbb{E}[X^2]$. But I'm having trouble extending this to larger moments.







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          The statement is not true in general and it is easy to construct a counterexample. For example, we want $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$, we can let $X$ has a small probability of taking a large positive value, while keeping $mathbb{E}(X)$ negative. Let
          $X$ be a random variable with $P(X=-2)=1-epsilon$ and $P(x=M)=epsilon$. We choose $epsilon=1/(M+2)$ such that $mathbb{E}(X)=-1$.



          Then we have
          $$
          mathbb{E}(X^2)=M+2,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^2)=M+1
          $$
          and
          $$
          mathbb{E}(X^4)=M^3-2M^2+4M+8,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)=M^3+2M^2+2M+1.
          $$
          Obviously, if $M$ is large enough, we have $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$.






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            Thanks! Is it also easy to construct counterexamples in the case when $X$ is always positive?
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            If $X$ is always positive, so is $mathbb{E}(X)$. As a result $|X-mathbb{E}(X)|leq |X|$, and of course $mathbb{E}big((X-mathbb{E}(X))^kbig)leq mathbb{E}(X^k)$.
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            $X-mathbb{E}[X]$ might be negative, so I don't think it's necessarily true that $|X-mathbb{E}[X]| leq |X|$. For example, if $X = 1$ or $X = 9$, with equal probability.
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          To complement the accepted answer,
          we can show that $E[(X - E[X])^m] leq E[X^m]$ when $X geq 0$.
          Assume without loss of generality that $E[X] = 1$ (rescaling $X$ if necessary).
          Then, omitting the dependence on $omega$ for notational convenience,
          begin{align}
          & int_{Omega} X^m , d Omega - int_{Omega} (X - 1)^m , dP(omega) \
          & quad =
          int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) +
          int_{1/2 < X leq 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) \
          & quad + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega). \
          & quad geq
          int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
          + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
          =: I_1 + I_2.
          end{align}

          For $m$ odd, both $I_1$ and $I_2$ are positive and the statement is proved.
          We assume from now on that $m$ is even.
          It is easy to see that:
          begin{align}
          |a^m - (a - 1)^m| leq (1 - a) quad & text{ if } quad 0 leq a leq 1/2; \
          a^m - (a - 1)^m geq (a - 1) quad & text{ if } quad a > 1.
          end{align}

          Using these inequalities, we deduce that
          $$ I_1 + I_2 geq int_{X > 1} (X - 1) , dP(omega) - int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X) , dP(omega). $$
          To conclude, we note that,
          by definition of the expected value,
          begin{align}
          & int_{X leq 1/2} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{1/2 < X leq 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) = 0 \
          & rightarrow int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) geq int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X(omega)) , dP(omega).
          end{align}






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            The statement is not true in general and it is easy to construct a counterexample. For example, we want $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$, we can let $X$ has a small probability of taking a large positive value, while keeping $mathbb{E}(X)$ negative. Let
            $X$ be a random variable with $P(X=-2)=1-epsilon$ and $P(x=M)=epsilon$. We choose $epsilon=1/(M+2)$ such that $mathbb{E}(X)=-1$.



            Then we have
            $$
            mathbb{E}(X^2)=M+2,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^2)=M+1
            $$
            and
            $$
            mathbb{E}(X^4)=M^3-2M^2+4M+8,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)=M^3+2M^2+2M+1.
            $$
            Obviously, if $M$ is large enough, we have $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$.






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              Thanks! Is it also easy to construct counterexamples in the case when $X$ is always positive?
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              If $X$ is always positive, so is $mathbb{E}(X)$. As a result $|X-mathbb{E}(X)|leq |X|$, and of course $mathbb{E}big((X-mathbb{E}(X))^kbig)leq mathbb{E}(X^k)$.
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              $X-mathbb{E}[X]$ might be negative, so I don't think it's necessarily true that $|X-mathbb{E}[X]| leq |X|$. For example, if $X = 1$ or $X = 9$, with equal probability.
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            $begingroup$

            The statement is not true in general and it is easy to construct a counterexample. For example, we want $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$, we can let $X$ has a small probability of taking a large positive value, while keeping $mathbb{E}(X)$ negative. Let
            $X$ be a random variable with $P(X=-2)=1-epsilon$ and $P(x=M)=epsilon$. We choose $epsilon=1/(M+2)$ such that $mathbb{E}(X)=-1$.



            Then we have
            $$
            mathbb{E}(X^2)=M+2,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^2)=M+1
            $$
            and
            $$
            mathbb{E}(X^4)=M^3-2M^2+4M+8,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)=M^3+2M^2+2M+1.
            $$
            Obviously, if $M$ is large enough, we have $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$.






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              Thanks! Is it also easy to construct counterexamples in the case when $X$ is always positive?
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              – user13491
              Dec 28 '15 at 15:36










            • $begingroup$
              If $X$ is always positive, so is $mathbb{E}(X)$. As a result $|X-mathbb{E}(X)|leq |X|$, and of course $mathbb{E}big((X-mathbb{E}(X))^kbig)leq mathbb{E}(X^k)$.
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              – yhhuang
              Dec 28 '15 at 16:51






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              $begingroup$
              $X-mathbb{E}[X]$ might be negative, so I don't think it's necessarily true that $|X-mathbb{E}[X]| leq |X|$. For example, if $X = 1$ or $X = 9$, with equal probability.
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              – user13491
              Dec 28 '15 at 23:04














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            $begingroup$

            The statement is not true in general and it is easy to construct a counterexample. For example, we want $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$, we can let $X$ has a small probability of taking a large positive value, while keeping $mathbb{E}(X)$ negative. Let
            $X$ be a random variable with $P(X=-2)=1-epsilon$ and $P(x=M)=epsilon$. We choose $epsilon=1/(M+2)$ such that $mathbb{E}(X)=-1$.



            Then we have
            $$
            mathbb{E}(X^2)=M+2,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^2)=M+1
            $$
            and
            $$
            mathbb{E}(X^4)=M^3-2M^2+4M+8,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)=M^3+2M^2+2M+1.
            $$
            Obviously, if $M$ is large enough, we have $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$.






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            The statement is not true in general and it is easy to construct a counterexample. For example, we want $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$, we can let $X$ has a small probability of taking a large positive value, while keeping $mathbb{E}(X)$ negative. Let
            $X$ be a random variable with $P(X=-2)=1-epsilon$ and $P(x=M)=epsilon$. We choose $epsilon=1/(M+2)$ such that $mathbb{E}(X)=-1$.



            Then we have
            $$
            mathbb{E}(X^2)=M+2,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^2)=M+1
            $$
            and
            $$
            mathbb{E}(X^4)=M^3-2M^2+4M+8,quad mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)=M^3+2M^2+2M+1.
            $$
            Obviously, if $M$ is large enough, we have $mathbb{E}(X^4)leq mathbb{E}((X-mathbb{E}(X))^4)$.







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              Thanks! Is it also easy to construct counterexamples in the case when $X$ is always positive?
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              Dec 28 '15 at 15:36










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              If $X$ is always positive, so is $mathbb{E}(X)$. As a result $|X-mathbb{E}(X)|leq |X|$, and of course $mathbb{E}big((X-mathbb{E}(X))^kbig)leq mathbb{E}(X^k)$.
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              Dec 28 '15 at 16:51






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              $X-mathbb{E}[X]$ might be negative, so I don't think it's necessarily true that $|X-mathbb{E}[X]| leq |X|$. For example, if $X = 1$ or $X = 9$, with equal probability.
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              Dec 28 '15 at 23:04


















            • $begingroup$
              Thanks! Is it also easy to construct counterexamples in the case when $X$ is always positive?
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              – user13491
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            • $begingroup$
              If $X$ is always positive, so is $mathbb{E}(X)$. As a result $|X-mathbb{E}(X)|leq |X|$, and of course $mathbb{E}big((X-mathbb{E}(X))^kbig)leq mathbb{E}(X^k)$.
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              – yhhuang
              Dec 28 '15 at 16:51






            • 2




              $begingroup$
              $X-mathbb{E}[X]$ might be negative, so I don't think it's necessarily true that $|X-mathbb{E}[X]| leq |X|$. For example, if $X = 1$ or $X = 9$, with equal probability.
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              Dec 28 '15 at 23:04
















            $begingroup$
            Thanks! Is it also easy to construct counterexamples in the case when $X$ is always positive?
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            – user13491
            Dec 28 '15 at 15:36




            $begingroup$
            Thanks! Is it also easy to construct counterexamples in the case when $X$ is always positive?
            $endgroup$
            – user13491
            Dec 28 '15 at 15:36












            $begingroup$
            If $X$ is always positive, so is $mathbb{E}(X)$. As a result $|X-mathbb{E}(X)|leq |X|$, and of course $mathbb{E}big((X-mathbb{E}(X))^kbig)leq mathbb{E}(X^k)$.
            $endgroup$
            – yhhuang
            Dec 28 '15 at 16:51




            $begingroup$
            If $X$ is always positive, so is $mathbb{E}(X)$. As a result $|X-mathbb{E}(X)|leq |X|$, and of course $mathbb{E}big((X-mathbb{E}(X))^kbig)leq mathbb{E}(X^k)$.
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            – yhhuang
            Dec 28 '15 at 16:51




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            $begingroup$
            $X-mathbb{E}[X]$ might be negative, so I don't think it's necessarily true that $|X-mathbb{E}[X]| leq |X|$. For example, if $X = 1$ or $X = 9$, with equal probability.
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            – user13491
            Dec 28 '15 at 23:04




            $begingroup$
            $X-mathbb{E}[X]$ might be negative, so I don't think it's necessarily true that $|X-mathbb{E}[X]| leq |X|$. For example, if $X = 1$ or $X = 9$, with equal probability.
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            – user13491
            Dec 28 '15 at 23:04











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            To complement the accepted answer,
            we can show that $E[(X - E[X])^m] leq E[X^m]$ when $X geq 0$.
            Assume without loss of generality that $E[X] = 1$ (rescaling $X$ if necessary).
            Then, omitting the dependence on $omega$ for notational convenience,
            begin{align}
            & int_{Omega} X^m , d Omega - int_{Omega} (X - 1)^m , dP(omega) \
            & quad =
            int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) +
            int_{1/2 < X leq 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) \
            & quad + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega). \
            & quad geq
            int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
            + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
            =: I_1 + I_2.
            end{align}

            For $m$ odd, both $I_1$ and $I_2$ are positive and the statement is proved.
            We assume from now on that $m$ is even.
            It is easy to see that:
            begin{align}
            |a^m - (a - 1)^m| leq (1 - a) quad & text{ if } quad 0 leq a leq 1/2; \
            a^m - (a - 1)^m geq (a - 1) quad & text{ if } quad a > 1.
            end{align}

            Using these inequalities, we deduce that
            $$ I_1 + I_2 geq int_{X > 1} (X - 1) , dP(omega) - int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X) , dP(omega). $$
            To conclude, we note that,
            by definition of the expected value,
            begin{align}
            & int_{X leq 1/2} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{1/2 < X leq 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) = 0 \
            & rightarrow int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) geq int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X(omega)) , dP(omega).
            end{align}






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              To complement the accepted answer,
              we can show that $E[(X - E[X])^m] leq E[X^m]$ when $X geq 0$.
              Assume without loss of generality that $E[X] = 1$ (rescaling $X$ if necessary).
              Then, omitting the dependence on $omega$ for notational convenience,
              begin{align}
              & int_{Omega} X^m , d Omega - int_{Omega} (X - 1)^m , dP(omega) \
              & quad =
              int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) +
              int_{1/2 < X leq 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) \
              & quad + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega). \
              & quad geq
              int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
              + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
              =: I_1 + I_2.
              end{align}

              For $m$ odd, both $I_1$ and $I_2$ are positive and the statement is proved.
              We assume from now on that $m$ is even.
              It is easy to see that:
              begin{align}
              |a^m - (a - 1)^m| leq (1 - a) quad & text{ if } quad 0 leq a leq 1/2; \
              a^m - (a - 1)^m geq (a - 1) quad & text{ if } quad a > 1.
              end{align}

              Using these inequalities, we deduce that
              $$ I_1 + I_2 geq int_{X > 1} (X - 1) , dP(omega) - int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X) , dP(omega). $$
              To conclude, we note that,
              by definition of the expected value,
              begin{align}
              & int_{X leq 1/2} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{1/2 < X leq 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) = 0 \
              & rightarrow int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) geq int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X(omega)) , dP(omega).
              end{align}






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                To complement the accepted answer,
                we can show that $E[(X - E[X])^m] leq E[X^m]$ when $X geq 0$.
                Assume without loss of generality that $E[X] = 1$ (rescaling $X$ if necessary).
                Then, omitting the dependence on $omega$ for notational convenience,
                begin{align}
                & int_{Omega} X^m , d Omega - int_{Omega} (X - 1)^m , dP(omega) \
                & quad =
                int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) +
                int_{1/2 < X leq 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) \
                & quad + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega). \
                & quad geq
                int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
                + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
                =: I_1 + I_2.
                end{align}

                For $m$ odd, both $I_1$ and $I_2$ are positive and the statement is proved.
                We assume from now on that $m$ is even.
                It is easy to see that:
                begin{align}
                |a^m - (a - 1)^m| leq (1 - a) quad & text{ if } quad 0 leq a leq 1/2; \
                a^m - (a - 1)^m geq (a - 1) quad & text{ if } quad a > 1.
                end{align}

                Using these inequalities, we deduce that
                $$ I_1 + I_2 geq int_{X > 1} (X - 1) , dP(omega) - int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X) , dP(omega). $$
                To conclude, we note that,
                by definition of the expected value,
                begin{align}
                & int_{X leq 1/2} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{1/2 < X leq 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) = 0 \
                & rightarrow int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) geq int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X(omega)) , dP(omega).
                end{align}






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                To complement the accepted answer,
                we can show that $E[(X - E[X])^m] leq E[X^m]$ when $X geq 0$.
                Assume without loss of generality that $E[X] = 1$ (rescaling $X$ if necessary).
                Then, omitting the dependence on $omega$ for notational convenience,
                begin{align}
                & int_{Omega} X^m , d Omega - int_{Omega} (X - 1)^m , dP(omega) \
                & quad =
                int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) +
                int_{1/2 < X leq 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega) \
                & quad + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega). \
                & quad geq
                int_{X leq 1/2} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
                + int_{X > 1} left[ X^m - (X - 1)^m right] , dP(omega)
                =: I_1 + I_2.
                end{align}

                For $m$ odd, both $I_1$ and $I_2$ are positive and the statement is proved.
                We assume from now on that $m$ is even.
                It is easy to see that:
                begin{align}
                |a^m - (a - 1)^m| leq (1 - a) quad & text{ if } quad 0 leq a leq 1/2; \
                a^m - (a - 1)^m geq (a - 1) quad & text{ if } quad a > 1.
                end{align}

                Using these inequalities, we deduce that
                $$ I_1 + I_2 geq int_{X > 1} (X - 1) , dP(omega) - int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X) , dP(omega). $$
                To conclude, we note that,
                by definition of the expected value,
                begin{align}
                & int_{X leq 1/2} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{1/2 < X leq 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) + int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) = 0 \
                & rightarrow int_{X > 1} (X(omega) - 1) , dP(omega) geq int_{X leq 1/2} (1 - X(omega)) , dP(omega).
                end{align}







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