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It is a trivial exercise in the pigeonhole principle to show that if an organization contains $m$ people and forms disjoint committees of $n$ members each, then at most
$$bigg lfloor frac{m}{n} biggrfloor$$
committees can be formed.



However, I have recently attempted a seemingly simple variation on this problem: what if the committees need not be disjoint, but no two committees can share more than one member.



It seems like another easy exercise in the pigeonhole principle, but I have been unable to come up with a formula for the largest possible number of committees in terms of $m$ and $n$. Does anyone know of such a formula?










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    It is a trivial exercise in the pigeonhole principle to show that if an organization contains $m$ people and forms disjoint committees of $n$ members each, then at most
    $$bigg lfloor frac{m}{n} biggrfloor$$
    committees can be formed.



    However, I have recently attempted a seemingly simple variation on this problem: what if the committees need not be disjoint, but no two committees can share more than one member.



    It seems like another easy exercise in the pigeonhole principle, but I have been unable to come up with a formula for the largest possible number of committees in terms of $m$ and $n$. Does anyone know of such a formula?










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      It is a trivial exercise in the pigeonhole principle to show that if an organization contains $m$ people and forms disjoint committees of $n$ members each, then at most
      $$bigg lfloor frac{m}{n} biggrfloor$$
      committees can be formed.



      However, I have recently attempted a seemingly simple variation on this problem: what if the committees need not be disjoint, but no two committees can share more than one member.



      It seems like another easy exercise in the pigeonhole principle, but I have been unable to come up with a formula for the largest possible number of committees in terms of $m$ and $n$. Does anyone know of such a formula?










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      It is a trivial exercise in the pigeonhole principle to show that if an organization contains $m$ people and forms disjoint committees of $n$ members each, then at most
      $$bigg lfloor frac{m}{n} biggrfloor$$
      committees can be formed.



      However, I have recently attempted a seemingly simple variation on this problem: what if the committees need not be disjoint, but no two committees can share more than one member.



      It seems like another easy exercise in the pigeonhole principle, but I have been unable to come up with a formula for the largest possible number of committees in terms of $m$ and $n$. Does anyone know of such a formula?







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          This is a well-known problem which I often meet in different forms. For given $m$ and $n$ let $c=c(m,n)$ be the largest possible number of committees. As far as I know, exact formulas for $c(m,n)$ are known only in particular cases, for small $m,n$ and two infinite series. There are ${mchoose 2}$ different pairs of organization members. On the other hand, each committee provides ${nchoose 2}$ such pairs, and no pair can be provided by two committees. This gives an upper bound $clefrac{m(m-1)}{n(n-1)}$. This upper bound is exact iff there exists a Steiner system $S(2,n,m)$. For particular values of $m,n$ their construction is based on finite projective planes. But such planes are over a finite field of a order $q$, which exists iff $q$ is a power of a prime, and there are no known other $q$ for which these exist a Steiner system $S(2, q, q^2)$ (or, equivalently, $S(2,q+1,q^2+n+1)$). Nevertheless, when $m$ is close to $n^2$ this approach provides a rather tight asymptotic lower bound for $c(m,n)$, because for sufficiently big $n$ there exists a prime number $n-n^{0.525}le qle n$ (see the paper “The difference between consecutive primes II” by

          R. C. Baker, G. Harman, and J. Pintz). So estimating $c(m,n)$ for concrete $m$ and $n$ we usually pick a basic committee pattern provided by a finite projective plane and then try to improve the construction. The upper bound sometimes can be improved too by more subtle and complicated estimations. For instance, a current bounty question asks about minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)ge 40$. The current bounds are $74le mle 85$.






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            Update; the current bounds in the bounty question are at $82leq mleq84$.
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            *Update; the minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)geq40$ is $m=82$.
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          For a lower bound, you can form roughly double the number of committees than the disjoint case. Divide the people into groups of size $binom{n+1}2$, ignoring the leftovers. Identify the people of each group with the edges of a complete graph on $n+1$ vertices. For each vertex of this graph, form a committee consisting of the $n+1$ edges meeting at that vertex. There will be $n+1$ committees for each group of $binom{n+1}2$ people, for a total of
          $$
          (n+1)cdotleftlfloor frac{m}{binom{n+1}2}rightrfloorapprox frac{2m}n;text{ committees.}
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            This is a well-known problem which I often meet in different forms. For given $m$ and $n$ let $c=c(m,n)$ be the largest possible number of committees. As far as I know, exact formulas for $c(m,n)$ are known only in particular cases, for small $m,n$ and two infinite series. There are ${mchoose 2}$ different pairs of organization members. On the other hand, each committee provides ${nchoose 2}$ such pairs, and no pair can be provided by two committees. This gives an upper bound $clefrac{m(m-1)}{n(n-1)}$. This upper bound is exact iff there exists a Steiner system $S(2,n,m)$. For particular values of $m,n$ their construction is based on finite projective planes. But such planes are over a finite field of a order $q$, which exists iff $q$ is a power of a prime, and there are no known other $q$ for which these exist a Steiner system $S(2, q, q^2)$ (or, equivalently, $S(2,q+1,q^2+n+1)$). Nevertheless, when $m$ is close to $n^2$ this approach provides a rather tight asymptotic lower bound for $c(m,n)$, because for sufficiently big $n$ there exists a prime number $n-n^{0.525}le qle n$ (see the paper “The difference between consecutive primes II” by

            R. C. Baker, G. Harman, and J. Pintz). So estimating $c(m,n)$ for concrete $m$ and $n$ we usually pick a basic committee pattern provided by a finite projective plane and then try to improve the construction. The upper bound sometimes can be improved too by more subtle and complicated estimations. For instance, a current bounty question asks about minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)ge 40$. The current bounds are $74le mle 85$.






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              $begingroup$
              Update; the current bounds in the bounty question are at $82leq mleq84$.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Dec 11 '18 at 11:43






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              *Update; the minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)geq40$ is $m=82$.
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            This is a well-known problem which I often meet in different forms. For given $m$ and $n$ let $c=c(m,n)$ be the largest possible number of committees. As far as I know, exact formulas for $c(m,n)$ are known only in particular cases, for small $m,n$ and two infinite series. There are ${mchoose 2}$ different pairs of organization members. On the other hand, each committee provides ${nchoose 2}$ such pairs, and no pair can be provided by two committees. This gives an upper bound $clefrac{m(m-1)}{n(n-1)}$. This upper bound is exact iff there exists a Steiner system $S(2,n,m)$. For particular values of $m,n$ their construction is based on finite projective planes. But such planes are over a finite field of a order $q$, which exists iff $q$ is a power of a prime, and there are no known other $q$ for which these exist a Steiner system $S(2, q, q^2)$ (or, equivalently, $S(2,q+1,q^2+n+1)$). Nevertheless, when $m$ is close to $n^2$ this approach provides a rather tight asymptotic lower bound for $c(m,n)$, because for sufficiently big $n$ there exists a prime number $n-n^{0.525}le qle n$ (see the paper “The difference between consecutive primes II” by

            R. C. Baker, G. Harman, and J. Pintz). So estimating $c(m,n)$ for concrete $m$ and $n$ we usually pick a basic committee pattern provided by a finite projective plane and then try to improve the construction. The upper bound sometimes can be improved too by more subtle and complicated estimations. For instance, a current bounty question asks about minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)ge 40$. The current bounds are $74le mle 85$.






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              $begingroup$
              Update; the current bounds in the bounty question are at $82leq mleq84$.
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              – Servaes
              Dec 11 '18 at 11:43






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              *Update; the minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)geq40$ is $m=82$.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
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            This is a well-known problem which I often meet in different forms. For given $m$ and $n$ let $c=c(m,n)$ be the largest possible number of committees. As far as I know, exact formulas for $c(m,n)$ are known only in particular cases, for small $m,n$ and two infinite series. There are ${mchoose 2}$ different pairs of organization members. On the other hand, each committee provides ${nchoose 2}$ such pairs, and no pair can be provided by two committees. This gives an upper bound $clefrac{m(m-1)}{n(n-1)}$. This upper bound is exact iff there exists a Steiner system $S(2,n,m)$. For particular values of $m,n$ their construction is based on finite projective planes. But such planes are over a finite field of a order $q$, which exists iff $q$ is a power of a prime, and there are no known other $q$ for which these exist a Steiner system $S(2, q, q^2)$ (or, equivalently, $S(2,q+1,q^2+n+1)$). Nevertheless, when $m$ is close to $n^2$ this approach provides a rather tight asymptotic lower bound for $c(m,n)$, because for sufficiently big $n$ there exists a prime number $n-n^{0.525}le qle n$ (see the paper “The difference between consecutive primes II” by

            R. C. Baker, G. Harman, and J. Pintz). So estimating $c(m,n)$ for concrete $m$ and $n$ we usually pick a basic committee pattern provided by a finite projective plane and then try to improve the construction. The upper bound sometimes can be improved too by more subtle and complicated estimations. For instance, a current bounty question asks about minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)ge 40$. The current bounds are $74le mle 85$.






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            This is a well-known problem which I often meet in different forms. For given $m$ and $n$ let $c=c(m,n)$ be the largest possible number of committees. As far as I know, exact formulas for $c(m,n)$ are known only in particular cases, for small $m,n$ and two infinite series. There are ${mchoose 2}$ different pairs of organization members. On the other hand, each committee provides ${nchoose 2}$ such pairs, and no pair can be provided by two committees. This gives an upper bound $clefrac{m(m-1)}{n(n-1)}$. This upper bound is exact iff there exists a Steiner system $S(2,n,m)$. For particular values of $m,n$ their construction is based on finite projective planes. But such planes are over a finite field of a order $q$, which exists iff $q$ is a power of a prime, and there are no known other $q$ for which these exist a Steiner system $S(2, q, q^2)$ (or, equivalently, $S(2,q+1,q^2+n+1)$). Nevertheless, when $m$ is close to $n^2$ this approach provides a rather tight asymptotic lower bound for $c(m,n)$, because for sufficiently big $n$ there exists a prime number $n-n^{0.525}le qle n$ (see the paper “The difference between consecutive primes II” by

            R. C. Baker, G. Harman, and J. Pintz). So estimating $c(m,n)$ for concrete $m$ and $n$ we usually pick a basic committee pattern provided by a finite projective plane and then try to improve the construction. The upper bound sometimes can be improved too by more subtle and complicated estimations. For instance, a current bounty question asks about minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)ge 40$. The current bounds are $74le mle 85$.







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              Update; the current bounds in the bounty question are at $82leq mleq84$.
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              *Update; the minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)geq40$ is $m=82$.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Dec 14 '18 at 2:54














            • 2




              $begingroup$
              Update; the current bounds in the bounty question are at $82leq mleq84$.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Dec 11 '18 at 11:43






            • 2




              $begingroup$
              *Update; the minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)geq40$ is $m=82$.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Dec 14 '18 at 2:54








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            $begingroup$
            Update; the current bounds in the bounty question are at $82leq mleq84$.
            $endgroup$
            – Servaes
            Dec 11 '18 at 11:43




            $begingroup$
            Update; the current bounds in the bounty question are at $82leq mleq84$.
            $endgroup$
            – Servaes
            Dec 11 '18 at 11:43




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            $begingroup$
            *Update; the minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)geq40$ is $m=82$.
            $endgroup$
            – Servaes
            Dec 14 '18 at 2:54




            $begingroup$
            *Update; the minimum $m$ such that $c(m,10)geq40$ is $m=82$.
            $endgroup$
            – Servaes
            Dec 14 '18 at 2:54











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            For a lower bound, you can form roughly double the number of committees than the disjoint case. Divide the people into groups of size $binom{n+1}2$, ignoring the leftovers. Identify the people of each group with the edges of a complete graph on $n+1$ vertices. For each vertex of this graph, form a committee consisting of the $n+1$ edges meeting at that vertex. There will be $n+1$ committees for each group of $binom{n+1}2$ people, for a total of
            $$
            (n+1)cdotleftlfloor frac{m}{binom{n+1}2}rightrfloorapprox frac{2m}n;text{ committees.}
            $$






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              For a lower bound, you can form roughly double the number of committees than the disjoint case. Divide the people into groups of size $binom{n+1}2$, ignoring the leftovers. Identify the people of each group with the edges of a complete graph on $n+1$ vertices. For each vertex of this graph, form a committee consisting of the $n+1$ edges meeting at that vertex. There will be $n+1$ committees for each group of $binom{n+1}2$ people, for a total of
              $$
              (n+1)cdotleftlfloor frac{m}{binom{n+1}2}rightrfloorapprox frac{2m}n;text{ committees.}
              $$






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                For a lower bound, you can form roughly double the number of committees than the disjoint case. Divide the people into groups of size $binom{n+1}2$, ignoring the leftovers. Identify the people of each group with the edges of a complete graph on $n+1$ vertices. For each vertex of this graph, form a committee consisting of the $n+1$ edges meeting at that vertex. There will be $n+1$ committees for each group of $binom{n+1}2$ people, for a total of
                $$
                (n+1)cdotleftlfloor frac{m}{binom{n+1}2}rightrfloorapprox frac{2m}n;text{ committees.}
                $$






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                For a lower bound, you can form roughly double the number of committees than the disjoint case. Divide the people into groups of size $binom{n+1}2$, ignoring the leftovers. Identify the people of each group with the edges of a complete graph on $n+1$ vertices. For each vertex of this graph, form a committee consisting of the $n+1$ edges meeting at that vertex. There will be $n+1$ committees for each group of $binom{n+1}2$ people, for a total of
                $$
                (n+1)cdotleftlfloor frac{m}{binom{n+1}2}rightrfloorapprox frac{2m}n;text{ committees.}
                $$







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