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I'm having difficulty understanding the free body diagram for the forces acting on a ramp when a block is sliding down it.
Say a block of mass $m$ is accelerating down a ramp with mass M with inclination $theta$, where the coefficient of kinetic friction is between the block and the ramp is $mu_k$. Assume the surface the ramp rests on is frictionless.
I can easily determine the free body diagram of the forces acting on the block:
$$F_{gx}=mgsin(theta)$$
$$F_{gy}=mgcos(theta)$$
$$F_n=F_{gy}=mgcos(theta)$$
$$F_k=mu_kF_n=mu_kmgcos(theta)$$
But I'm having difficulty establishing the free body diagram and the magnitude of the forces acting on the ramp.
How would both FBD's change if the ramp is now being pushed with a constant force $F$ pointed parallel to the flat surface?
Any help would be appreciated.
physics classical-mechanics
asked Dec 7 '18 at 21:00
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I'm having difficulty understanding the free body diagram for the forces acting on a ramp when a block is sliding down it.
Say a block of mass $m$ is accelerating down a ramp with mass M with inclination $theta$, where the coefficient of kinetic friction is between the block and the ramp is $mu_k$. Assume the surface the ramp rests on is frictionless.
I can easily determine the free body diagram of the forces acting on the block:
$$F_{gx}=mgsin(theta)$$
$$F_{gy}=mgcos(theta)$$
$$F_n=F_{gy}=mgcos(theta)$$
$$F_k=mu_kF_n=mu_kmgcos(theta)$$
But I'm having difficulty establishing the free body diagram and the magnitude of the forces acting on the ramp.
How would both FBD's change if the ramp is now being pushed with a constant force $F$ pointed parallel to the flat surface?
Any help would be appreciated.
physics classical-mechanics
asked Dec 7 '18 at 21:00
Anson PangAnson Pang
6215
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I'm having difficulty understanding the free body diagram for the forces acting on a ramp when a block is sliding down it.
Say a block of mass $m$ is accelerating down a ramp with mass M with inclination $theta$, where the coefficient of kinetic friction is between the block and the ramp is $mu_k$. Assume the surface the ramp rests on is frictionless.
I can easily determine the free body diagram of the forces acting on the block:
$$F_{gx}=mgsin(theta)$$
$$F_{gy}=mgcos(theta)$$
$$F_n=F_{gy}=mgcos(theta)$$
$$F_k=mu_kF_n=mu_kmgcos(theta)$$
But I'm having difficulty establishing the free body diagram and the magnitude of the forces acting on the ramp.
How would both FBD's change if the ramp is now being pushed with a constant force $F$ pointed parallel to the flat surface?
Any help would be appreciated.
physics classical-mechanics
asked Dec 7 '18 at 21:00
Anson PangAnson Pang
6215
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I'm having difficulty understanding the free body diagram for the forces acting on a ramp when a block is sliding down it.
Say a block of mass $m$ is accelerating down a ramp with mass M with inclination $theta$, where the coefficient of kinetic friction is between the block and the ramp is $mu_k$. Assume the surface the ramp rests on is frictionless.
I can easily determine the free body diagram of the forces acting on the block:
$$F_{gx}=mgsin(theta)$$
$$F_{gy}=mgcos(theta)$$
$$F_n=F_{gy}=mgcos(theta)$$
$$F_k=mu_kF_n=mu_kmgcos(theta)$$
But I'm having difficulty establishing the free body diagram and the magnitude of the forces acting on the ramp.
How would both FBD's change if the ramp is now being pushed with a constant force $F$ pointed parallel to the flat surface?
Any help would be appreciated.
physics classical-mechanics
physics classical-mechanics
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I will let you figure out the actual projections into the coordinate system of the forces shown above. Just a few things to consider
Newton's third law: if the incline exerts a force $color{red}{bf N}$ on the block, then the block exerts a force $color{red}{-{bf N}}$ on the incline. Same goes for the friction force $color{orange}{{bf F}_f}$
There's a normal force $color{brown}{bf N''}$ which appears as a consequence of the fact that the incline rests on a surface
There's no friction force between the incline and the surface it rests on, but you can add in the diagram if needed.
I also included a external force $color{green}{{bf F}_{rm ext}}$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:55
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If the ramp exerts a force of friction $F_k$ on the block whose direction opposes its acceleration, does that mean that the block exerts an equal force in the opposite direction on the ramp?
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– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:33
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@AnsonPang yes, forgot to add that one
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– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:43
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Is the force of gravity acting on the incline $Mg$, or $(M+m)g$?
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– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:47
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@AnsonPang It is $M$, because the mass of the incline is just $M$
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– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:52
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So the forces acting on the incline are gravity, the opposing force to $F_k$ that I mentioned, and $-N$?
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– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:54
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If the block is sliding down the ramp then the horizontal force on the ramp is.......
$F_{rx} = cos(theta)(mgsin(theta) - u_kmgcos(theta))$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:56
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I will let you figure out the actual projections into the coordinate system of the forces shown above. Just a few things to consider
Newton's third law: if the incline exerts a force $color{red}{bf N}$ on the block, then the block exerts a force $color{red}{-{bf N}}$ on the incline. Same goes for the friction force $color{orange}{{bf F}_f}$
There's a normal force $color{brown}{bf N''}$ which appears as a consequence of the fact that the incline rests on a surface
There's no friction force between the incline and the surface it rests on, but you can add in the diagram if needed.
I also included a external force $color{green}{{bf F}_{rm ext}}$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:55
caveraccaverac
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If the ramp exerts a force of friction $F_k$ on the block whose direction opposes its acceleration, does that mean that the block exerts an equal force in the opposite direction on the ramp?
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– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:33
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@AnsonPang yes, forgot to add that one
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– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:43
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Is the force of gravity acting on the incline $Mg$, or $(M+m)g$?
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– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:47
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@AnsonPang It is $M$, because the mass of the incline is just $M$
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:52
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So the forces acting on the incline are gravity, the opposing force to $F_k$ that I mentioned, and $-N$?
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– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:54
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show 1 more comment
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I will let you figure out the actual projections into the coordinate system of the forces shown above. Just a few things to consider
Newton's third law: if the incline exerts a force $color{red}{bf N}$ on the block, then the block exerts a force $color{red}{-{bf N}}$ on the incline. Same goes for the friction force $color{orange}{{bf F}_f}$
There's a normal force $color{brown}{bf N''}$ which appears as a consequence of the fact that the incline rests on a surface
There's no friction force between the incline and the surface it rests on, but you can add in the diagram if needed.
I also included a external force $color{green}{{bf F}_{rm ext}}$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:55
caveraccaverac
14.5k31130
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If the ramp exerts a force of friction $F_k$ on the block whose direction opposes its acceleration, does that mean that the block exerts an equal force in the opposite direction on the ramp?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:33
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@AnsonPang yes, forgot to add that one
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– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:43
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Is the force of gravity acting on the incline $Mg$, or $(M+m)g$?
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– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:47
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@AnsonPang It is $M$, because the mass of the incline is just $M$
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:52
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So the forces acting on the incline are gravity, the opposing force to $F_k$ that I mentioned, and $-N$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:54
|
show 1 more comment
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I will let you figure out the actual projections into the coordinate system of the forces shown above. Just a few things to consider
Newton's third law: if the incline exerts a force $color{red}{bf N}$ on the block, then the block exerts a force $color{red}{-{bf N}}$ on the incline. Same goes for the friction force $color{orange}{{bf F}_f}$
There's a normal force $color{brown}{bf N''}$ which appears as a consequence of the fact that the incline rests on a surface
There's no friction force between the incline and the surface it rests on, but you can add in the diagram if needed.
I also included a external force $color{green}{{bf F}_{rm ext}}$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:55
caveraccaverac
14.5k31130
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I will let you figure out the actual projections into the coordinate system of the forces shown above. Just a few things to consider
Newton's third law: if the incline exerts a force $color{red}{bf N}$ on the block, then the block exerts a force $color{red}{-{bf N}}$ on the incline. Same goes for the friction force $color{orange}{{bf F}_f}$
There's a normal force $color{brown}{bf N''}$ which appears as a consequence of the fact that the incline rests on a surface
There's no friction force between the incline and the surface it rests on, but you can add in the diagram if needed.
I also included a external force $color{green}{{bf F}_{rm ext}}$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:55
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answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:55
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answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:55
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If the ramp exerts a force of friction $F_k$ on the block whose direction opposes its acceleration, does that mean that the block exerts an equal force in the opposite direction on the ramp?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:33
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@AnsonPang yes, forgot to add that one
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:43
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Is the force of gravity acting on the incline $Mg$, or $(M+m)g$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:47
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@AnsonPang It is $M$, because the mass of the incline is just $M$
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:52
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So the forces acting on the incline are gravity, the opposing force to $F_k$ that I mentioned, and $-N$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:54
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
If the ramp exerts a force of friction $F_k$ on the block whose direction opposes its acceleration, does that mean that the block exerts an equal force in the opposite direction on the ramp?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:33
$begingroup$
@AnsonPang yes, forgot to add that one
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:43
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Is the force of gravity acting on the incline $Mg$, or $(M+m)g$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:47
$begingroup$
@AnsonPang It is $M$, because the mass of the incline is just $M$
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:52
$begingroup$
So the forces acting on the incline are gravity, the opposing force to $F_k$ that I mentioned, and $-N$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:54
$begingroup$
If the ramp exerts a force of friction $F_k$ on the block whose direction opposes its acceleration, does that mean that the block exerts an equal force in the opposite direction on the ramp?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:33
$begingroup$
If the ramp exerts a force of friction $F_k$ on the block whose direction opposes its acceleration, does that mean that the block exerts an equal force in the opposite direction on the ramp?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:33
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@AnsonPang yes, forgot to add that one
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:43
$begingroup$
@AnsonPang yes, forgot to add that one
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:43
$begingroup$
Is the force of gravity acting on the incline $Mg$, or $(M+m)g$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:47
$begingroup$
Is the force of gravity acting on the incline $Mg$, or $(M+m)g$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:47
$begingroup$
@AnsonPang It is $M$, because the mass of the incline is just $M$
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:52
$begingroup$
@AnsonPang It is $M$, because the mass of the incline is just $M$
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 7 '18 at 22:52
$begingroup$
So the forces acting on the incline are gravity, the opposing force to $F_k$ that I mentioned, and $-N$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:54
$begingroup$
So the forces acting on the incline are gravity, the opposing force to $F_k$ that I mentioned, and $-N$?
$endgroup$
– Anson Pang
Dec 7 '18 at 22:54
|
show 1 more comment
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If the block is sliding down the ramp then the horizontal force on the ramp is.......
$F_{rx} = cos(theta)(mgsin(theta) - u_kmgcos(theta))$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:56
Phil HPhil H
4,1632312
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If the block is sliding down the ramp then the horizontal force on the ramp is.......
$F_{rx} = cos(theta)(mgsin(theta) - u_kmgcos(theta))$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:56
Phil HPhil H
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If the block is sliding down the ramp then the horizontal force on the ramp is.......
$F_{rx} = cos(theta)(mgsin(theta) - u_kmgcos(theta))$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:56
Phil HPhil H
4,1632312
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If the block is sliding down the ramp then the horizontal force on the ramp is.......
$F_{rx} = cos(theta)(mgsin(theta) - u_kmgcos(theta))$
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:56
Phil HPhil H
4,1632312
answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:56
Phil HPhil H
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answered Dec 7 '18 at 21:56
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