Are “ad-hoc” networks always wireless?
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We see that almost always the term of "ad-hoc networks" comes with WSN (Wireless Sensor Network). Does it mean an ad-hoc network must be always wireless?
If we define an ad-hoc network as follows:
"An ad hoc network is a network that is composed of individual devices
communicating with each other directly." [1]
Can we imagine a "wired ad hoc" network?
[1] https://www.techopedia.com/definition/5868/ad-hoc-network
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We see that almost always the term of "ad-hoc networks" comes with WSN (Wireless Sensor Network). Does it mean an ad-hoc network must be always wireless?
If we define an ad-hoc network as follows:
"An ad hoc network is a network that is composed of individual devices
communicating with each other directly." [1]
Can we imagine a "wired ad hoc" network?
[1] https://www.techopedia.com/definition/5868/ad-hoc-network
wireless ad-hoc-wireless
Probably they are referring to a specific operation mode of WiFi networks commonly known as ad-hoc mode. Wikipedia has a brief description of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wi-Fi_ad-hoc_mode
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We see that almost always the term of "ad-hoc networks" comes with WSN (Wireless Sensor Network). Does it mean an ad-hoc network must be always wireless?
If we define an ad-hoc network as follows:
"An ad hoc network is a network that is composed of individual devices
communicating with each other directly." [1]
Can we imagine a "wired ad hoc" network?
[1] https://www.techopedia.com/definition/5868/ad-hoc-network
wireless ad-hoc-wireless
We see that almost always the term of "ad-hoc networks" comes with WSN (Wireless Sensor Network). Does it mean an ad-hoc network must be always wireless?
If we define an ad-hoc network as follows:
"An ad hoc network is a network that is composed of individual devices
communicating with each other directly." [1]
Can we imagine a "wired ad hoc" network?
[1] https://www.techopedia.com/definition/5868/ad-hoc-network
wireless ad-hoc-wireless
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Probably they are referring to a specific operation mode of WiFi networks commonly known as ad-hoc mode. Wikipedia has a brief description of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wi-Fi_ad-hoc_mode
– kasperd
9 hours ago
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Probably they are referring to a specific operation mode of WiFi networks commonly known as ad-hoc mode. Wikipedia has a brief description of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wi-Fi_ad-hoc_mode
– kasperd
9 hours ago
Probably they are referring to a specific operation mode of WiFi networks commonly known as ad-hoc mode. Wikipedia has a brief description of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wi-Fi_ad-hoc_mode
– kasperd
9 hours ago
Probably they are referring to a specific operation mode of WiFi networks commonly known as ad-hoc mode. Wikipedia has a brief description of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wi-Fi_ad-hoc_mode
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Caveat: This question might raise primarily opinion-based answers, and might be put on hold or considered off-topic, for exactly that reason.
Still, I dare to attempt an answer:
Following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hoc#Networking
The term “ad hoc networking” typically refers to a system of network
elements that combine to form a network requiring little or no
planning.
The linked main wikipedia article subsequently focusses on wireless ad hoc networks only.
However, I don't quite see why a wired ad hoc network should not be thinkable, if a few conditions are met:
- the devices to be connected all have an network interface of matching technology ("Ethernet" springs to mind).
- there is a means to wire them all together, in a fashion that any participating device can talk to any (and to all) other participating device (Star? Bus? Ring? Anyone remeber 10base2?)
- the medium and topology chosen to interconnect the devices must also support multicast (or broadcast) propagation to all participants ("talk to all devices", see above)
- a hub or switch to connect the devices might disqualify the setup as "ad hoc", as this would be an intermediate device (1).
- the participating devices have a means to manage addressing on the emerging common subnet themselves (IPv4: APIPA, IPv6: link-local addresses with DAD), if the given underlying technology does not provide unique identifiers natively
- the participating devices support suitable service announcement/discovery mechanisms and if needed some form of name resolution, so they have a way to find each other and find out what they can do with each other. Multicast based Zeroconf Networking (a.k.a. "Bonjour" or "Avahi") can do this.
... then yes, I would consider such a setup might be called an "ad hoc wired network".
(1) that might be subject of debate because a simple hub or switch fulfills the criterion of "little or no planning" with ease.
I would consider that a switch disqualifies an ad hoc network, although a hub is really just a powered cable, repeating the signals, even the collisions and damaged signals, to to every interface.
– Ron Maupin♦
9 hours ago
I disagree - so long as it's a switch that does no configuration of its clients, ie doesn't also have a DHCP server or similar, then I would describe the client network communication as ad-hoc.
– pjc50
8 hours ago
@pjc50, a switch is a bridge, just like a WAP is a bridge. They both serve the same function, so how does one make an ad hoc network, while the other does not?
– Ron Maupin♦
8 hours ago
1
In the end, it comes down to your definition of "little or no planning", and at what layers you're interested in. Certainly people make ad-hoc point-to-point connections over wired ethernet, SLIP/RS-232, USB. I've made fileservers over hotel networks when ethernet sockets were common, which counts as "the network" for many end users. Many technical conferences have open wired networks with RFC 2322 DHCP. Which of these you count depends on your own understanding of ad-hoc in your contexts.
– jonathanjo
7 hours ago
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The term "ad-hoc" is used to distinguish a peer-to-peer wireless network from an access-point based "managed" one.
Wired networks on the other hand always use a symmetric signaling layer, so no such distinction exists, which is why you see the word used rather seldom in wired contexts.
There may be some confusion because Windows 95/98 had a wizard to set up private IP addresses on an interface that was also called "Set up ad-hoc networking".
I don't know what's confusing about it: that's an ad-hoc wired network, rare though it might be in comparison to ad-hoc wifi. And I'd disagree about "ad-hoc" meaning "peer-to-peer". It means "without planning", and normally implies temporary.
– jonathanjo
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Caveat: This question might raise primarily opinion-based answers, and might be put on hold or considered off-topic, for exactly that reason.
Still, I dare to attempt an answer:
Following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hoc#Networking
The term “ad hoc networking” typically refers to a system of network
elements that combine to form a network requiring little or no
planning.
The linked main wikipedia article subsequently focusses on wireless ad hoc networks only.
However, I don't quite see why a wired ad hoc network should not be thinkable, if a few conditions are met:
- the devices to be connected all have an network interface of matching technology ("Ethernet" springs to mind).
- there is a means to wire them all together, in a fashion that any participating device can talk to any (and to all) other participating device (Star? Bus? Ring? Anyone remeber 10base2?)
- the medium and topology chosen to interconnect the devices must also support multicast (or broadcast) propagation to all participants ("talk to all devices", see above)
- a hub or switch to connect the devices might disqualify the setup as "ad hoc", as this would be an intermediate device (1).
- the participating devices have a means to manage addressing on the emerging common subnet themselves (IPv4: APIPA, IPv6: link-local addresses with DAD), if the given underlying technology does not provide unique identifiers natively
- the participating devices support suitable service announcement/discovery mechanisms and if needed some form of name resolution, so they have a way to find each other and find out what they can do with each other. Multicast based Zeroconf Networking (a.k.a. "Bonjour" or "Avahi") can do this.
... then yes, I would consider such a setup might be called an "ad hoc wired network".
(1) that might be subject of debate because a simple hub or switch fulfills the criterion of "little or no planning" with ease.
I would consider that a switch disqualifies an ad hoc network, although a hub is really just a powered cable, repeating the signals, even the collisions and damaged signals, to to every interface.
– Ron Maupin♦
9 hours ago
I disagree - so long as it's a switch that does no configuration of its clients, ie doesn't also have a DHCP server or similar, then I would describe the client network communication as ad-hoc.
– pjc50
8 hours ago
@pjc50, a switch is a bridge, just like a WAP is a bridge. They both serve the same function, so how does one make an ad hoc network, while the other does not?
– Ron Maupin♦
8 hours ago
1
In the end, it comes down to your definition of "little or no planning", and at what layers you're interested in. Certainly people make ad-hoc point-to-point connections over wired ethernet, SLIP/RS-232, USB. I've made fileservers over hotel networks when ethernet sockets were common, which counts as "the network" for many end users. Many technical conferences have open wired networks with RFC 2322 DHCP. Which of these you count depends on your own understanding of ad-hoc in your contexts.
– jonathanjo
7 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
6
down vote
Caveat: This question might raise primarily opinion-based answers, and might be put on hold or considered off-topic, for exactly that reason.
Still, I dare to attempt an answer:
Following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hoc#Networking
The term “ad hoc networking” typically refers to a system of network
elements that combine to form a network requiring little or no
planning.
The linked main wikipedia article subsequently focusses on wireless ad hoc networks only.
However, I don't quite see why a wired ad hoc network should not be thinkable, if a few conditions are met:
- the devices to be connected all have an network interface of matching technology ("Ethernet" springs to mind).
- there is a means to wire them all together, in a fashion that any participating device can talk to any (and to all) other participating device (Star? Bus? Ring? Anyone remeber 10base2?)
- the medium and topology chosen to interconnect the devices must also support multicast (or broadcast) propagation to all participants ("talk to all devices", see above)
- a hub or switch to connect the devices might disqualify the setup as "ad hoc", as this would be an intermediate device (1).
- the participating devices have a means to manage addressing on the emerging common subnet themselves (IPv4: APIPA, IPv6: link-local addresses with DAD), if the given underlying technology does not provide unique identifiers natively
- the participating devices support suitable service announcement/discovery mechanisms and if needed some form of name resolution, so they have a way to find each other and find out what they can do with each other. Multicast based Zeroconf Networking (a.k.a. "Bonjour" or "Avahi") can do this.
... then yes, I would consider such a setup might be called an "ad hoc wired network".
(1) that might be subject of debate because a simple hub or switch fulfills the criterion of "little or no planning" with ease.
I would consider that a switch disqualifies an ad hoc network, although a hub is really just a powered cable, repeating the signals, even the collisions and damaged signals, to to every interface.
– Ron Maupin♦
9 hours ago
I disagree - so long as it's a switch that does no configuration of its clients, ie doesn't also have a DHCP server or similar, then I would describe the client network communication as ad-hoc.
– pjc50
8 hours ago
@pjc50, a switch is a bridge, just like a WAP is a bridge. They both serve the same function, so how does one make an ad hoc network, while the other does not?
– Ron Maupin♦
8 hours ago
1
In the end, it comes down to your definition of "little or no planning", and at what layers you're interested in. Certainly people make ad-hoc point-to-point connections over wired ethernet, SLIP/RS-232, USB. I've made fileservers over hotel networks when ethernet sockets were common, which counts as "the network" for many end users. Many technical conferences have open wired networks with RFC 2322 DHCP. Which of these you count depends on your own understanding of ad-hoc in your contexts.
– jonathanjo
7 hours ago
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up vote
6
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up vote
6
down vote
Caveat: This question might raise primarily opinion-based answers, and might be put on hold or considered off-topic, for exactly that reason.
Still, I dare to attempt an answer:
Following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hoc#Networking
The term “ad hoc networking” typically refers to a system of network
elements that combine to form a network requiring little or no
planning.
The linked main wikipedia article subsequently focusses on wireless ad hoc networks only.
However, I don't quite see why a wired ad hoc network should not be thinkable, if a few conditions are met:
- the devices to be connected all have an network interface of matching technology ("Ethernet" springs to mind).
- there is a means to wire them all together, in a fashion that any participating device can talk to any (and to all) other participating device (Star? Bus? Ring? Anyone remeber 10base2?)
- the medium and topology chosen to interconnect the devices must also support multicast (or broadcast) propagation to all participants ("talk to all devices", see above)
- a hub or switch to connect the devices might disqualify the setup as "ad hoc", as this would be an intermediate device (1).
- the participating devices have a means to manage addressing on the emerging common subnet themselves (IPv4: APIPA, IPv6: link-local addresses with DAD), if the given underlying technology does not provide unique identifiers natively
- the participating devices support suitable service announcement/discovery mechanisms and if needed some form of name resolution, so they have a way to find each other and find out what they can do with each other. Multicast based Zeroconf Networking (a.k.a. "Bonjour" or "Avahi") can do this.
... then yes, I would consider such a setup might be called an "ad hoc wired network".
(1) that might be subject of debate because a simple hub or switch fulfills the criterion of "little or no planning" with ease.
Caveat: This question might raise primarily opinion-based answers, and might be put on hold or considered off-topic, for exactly that reason.
Still, I dare to attempt an answer:
Following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hoc#Networking
The term “ad hoc networking” typically refers to a system of network
elements that combine to form a network requiring little or no
planning.
The linked main wikipedia article subsequently focusses on wireless ad hoc networks only.
However, I don't quite see why a wired ad hoc network should not be thinkable, if a few conditions are met:
- the devices to be connected all have an network interface of matching technology ("Ethernet" springs to mind).
- there is a means to wire them all together, in a fashion that any participating device can talk to any (and to all) other participating device (Star? Bus? Ring? Anyone remeber 10base2?)
- the medium and topology chosen to interconnect the devices must also support multicast (or broadcast) propagation to all participants ("talk to all devices", see above)
- a hub or switch to connect the devices might disqualify the setup as "ad hoc", as this would be an intermediate device (1).
- the participating devices have a means to manage addressing on the emerging common subnet themselves (IPv4: APIPA, IPv6: link-local addresses with DAD), if the given underlying technology does not provide unique identifiers natively
- the participating devices support suitable service announcement/discovery mechanisms and if needed some form of name resolution, so they have a way to find each other and find out what they can do with each other. Multicast based Zeroconf Networking (a.k.a. "Bonjour" or "Avahi") can do this.
... then yes, I would consider such a setup might be called an "ad hoc wired network".
(1) that might be subject of debate because a simple hub or switch fulfills the criterion of "little or no planning" with ease.
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I would consider that a switch disqualifies an ad hoc network, although a hub is really just a powered cable, repeating the signals, even the collisions and damaged signals, to to every interface.
– Ron Maupin♦
9 hours ago
I disagree - so long as it's a switch that does no configuration of its clients, ie doesn't also have a DHCP server or similar, then I would describe the client network communication as ad-hoc.
– pjc50
8 hours ago
@pjc50, a switch is a bridge, just like a WAP is a bridge. They both serve the same function, so how does one make an ad hoc network, while the other does not?
– Ron Maupin♦
8 hours ago
1
In the end, it comes down to your definition of "little or no planning", and at what layers you're interested in. Certainly people make ad-hoc point-to-point connections over wired ethernet, SLIP/RS-232, USB. I've made fileservers over hotel networks when ethernet sockets were common, which counts as "the network" for many end users. Many technical conferences have open wired networks with RFC 2322 DHCP. Which of these you count depends on your own understanding of ad-hoc in your contexts.
– jonathanjo
7 hours ago
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I would consider that a switch disqualifies an ad hoc network, although a hub is really just a powered cable, repeating the signals, even the collisions and damaged signals, to to every interface.
– Ron Maupin♦
9 hours ago
I disagree - so long as it's a switch that does no configuration of its clients, ie doesn't also have a DHCP server or similar, then I would describe the client network communication as ad-hoc.
– pjc50
8 hours ago
@pjc50, a switch is a bridge, just like a WAP is a bridge. They both serve the same function, so how does one make an ad hoc network, while the other does not?
– Ron Maupin♦
8 hours ago
1
In the end, it comes down to your definition of "little or no planning", and at what layers you're interested in. Certainly people make ad-hoc point-to-point connections over wired ethernet, SLIP/RS-232, USB. I've made fileservers over hotel networks when ethernet sockets were common, which counts as "the network" for many end users. Many technical conferences have open wired networks with RFC 2322 DHCP. Which of these you count depends on your own understanding of ad-hoc in your contexts.
– jonathanjo
7 hours ago
I would consider that a switch disqualifies an ad hoc network, although a hub is really just a powered cable, repeating the signals, even the collisions and damaged signals, to to every interface.
– Ron Maupin♦
9 hours ago
I would consider that a switch disqualifies an ad hoc network, although a hub is really just a powered cable, repeating the signals, even the collisions and damaged signals, to to every interface.
– Ron Maupin♦
9 hours ago
I disagree - so long as it's a switch that does no configuration of its clients, ie doesn't also have a DHCP server or similar, then I would describe the client network communication as ad-hoc.
– pjc50
8 hours ago
I disagree - so long as it's a switch that does no configuration of its clients, ie doesn't also have a DHCP server or similar, then I would describe the client network communication as ad-hoc.
– pjc50
8 hours ago
@pjc50, a switch is a bridge, just like a WAP is a bridge. They both serve the same function, so how does one make an ad hoc network, while the other does not?
– Ron Maupin♦
8 hours ago
@pjc50, a switch is a bridge, just like a WAP is a bridge. They both serve the same function, so how does one make an ad hoc network, while the other does not?
– Ron Maupin♦
8 hours ago
1
1
In the end, it comes down to your definition of "little or no planning", and at what layers you're interested in. Certainly people make ad-hoc point-to-point connections over wired ethernet, SLIP/RS-232, USB. I've made fileservers over hotel networks when ethernet sockets were common, which counts as "the network" for many end users. Many technical conferences have open wired networks with RFC 2322 DHCP. Which of these you count depends on your own understanding of ad-hoc in your contexts.
– jonathanjo
7 hours ago
In the end, it comes down to your definition of "little or no planning", and at what layers you're interested in. Certainly people make ad-hoc point-to-point connections over wired ethernet, SLIP/RS-232, USB. I've made fileservers over hotel networks when ethernet sockets were common, which counts as "the network" for many end users. Many technical conferences have open wired networks with RFC 2322 DHCP. Which of these you count depends on your own understanding of ad-hoc in your contexts.
– jonathanjo
7 hours ago
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The term "ad-hoc" is used to distinguish a peer-to-peer wireless network from an access-point based "managed" one.
Wired networks on the other hand always use a symmetric signaling layer, so no such distinction exists, which is why you see the word used rather seldom in wired contexts.
There may be some confusion because Windows 95/98 had a wizard to set up private IP addresses on an interface that was also called "Set up ad-hoc networking".
I don't know what's confusing about it: that's an ad-hoc wired network, rare though it might be in comparison to ad-hoc wifi. And I'd disagree about "ad-hoc" meaning "peer-to-peer". It means "without planning", and normally implies temporary.
– jonathanjo
6 hours ago
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The term "ad-hoc" is used to distinguish a peer-to-peer wireless network from an access-point based "managed" one.
Wired networks on the other hand always use a symmetric signaling layer, so no such distinction exists, which is why you see the word used rather seldom in wired contexts.
There may be some confusion because Windows 95/98 had a wizard to set up private IP addresses on an interface that was also called "Set up ad-hoc networking".
I don't know what's confusing about it: that's an ad-hoc wired network, rare though it might be in comparison to ad-hoc wifi. And I'd disagree about "ad-hoc" meaning "peer-to-peer". It means "without planning", and normally implies temporary.
– jonathanjo
6 hours ago
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up vote
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up vote
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The term "ad-hoc" is used to distinguish a peer-to-peer wireless network from an access-point based "managed" one.
Wired networks on the other hand always use a symmetric signaling layer, so no such distinction exists, which is why you see the word used rather seldom in wired contexts.
There may be some confusion because Windows 95/98 had a wizard to set up private IP addresses on an interface that was also called "Set up ad-hoc networking".
The term "ad-hoc" is used to distinguish a peer-to-peer wireless network from an access-point based "managed" one.
Wired networks on the other hand always use a symmetric signaling layer, so no such distinction exists, which is why you see the word used rather seldom in wired contexts.
There may be some confusion because Windows 95/98 had a wizard to set up private IP addresses on an interface that was also called "Set up ad-hoc networking".
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I don't know what's confusing about it: that's an ad-hoc wired network, rare though it might be in comparison to ad-hoc wifi. And I'd disagree about "ad-hoc" meaning "peer-to-peer". It means "without planning", and normally implies temporary.
– jonathanjo
6 hours ago
add a comment |
I don't know what's confusing about it: that's an ad-hoc wired network, rare though it might be in comparison to ad-hoc wifi. And I'd disagree about "ad-hoc" meaning "peer-to-peer". It means "without planning", and normally implies temporary.
– jonathanjo
6 hours ago
I don't know what's confusing about it: that's an ad-hoc wired network, rare though it might be in comparison to ad-hoc wifi. And I'd disagree about "ad-hoc" meaning "peer-to-peer". It means "without planning", and normally implies temporary.
– jonathanjo
6 hours ago
I don't know what's confusing about it: that's an ad-hoc wired network, rare though it might be in comparison to ad-hoc wifi. And I'd disagree about "ad-hoc" meaning "peer-to-peer". It means "without planning", and normally implies temporary.
– jonathanjo
6 hours ago
add a comment |
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Probably they are referring to a specific operation mode of WiFi networks commonly known as ad-hoc mode. Wikipedia has a brief description of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wi-Fi_ad-hoc_mode
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